Scarlet Snake Princess - Expert

already used 75 stamina and no drop... WTF...

No crap there is definitely no where near about 20% drop rate seems more like 2% to me

I got 12 in 2 days with just a level up refill of 76 stamina, I'm happy, of those 3 were from stage 5 and I got 2 in one run twice. Thank you RNG (Random Number Gods)

Absolutely...Rank 120 and still no Echidna

That sucks I rerolled till I got Ares and one of my first pulls after that was an Empress of Serpents, Echidna

I did 20 runs today and had 5 drops.
3 of the drops were consecutive runs.

same.

I used 4 stones n got 15 nagas. update*

Random Number Generator :) Often times referred to as RNG gods (random number generator gods)

Used 135 stamina and got around 7, you should at least get one... but i got 4 skill ups from them, may have been my luck?

if u spend money on magic stone，i sure the drop rate would raise to 100% for the coming limited hour

Hence my quotations around the 20%. I'm only going off of what the site says. Doing anything otherwise would just be pulling numbers out of my ass.

And yes, you could feed 15-20 times and not get a skill up. You could also feed 27,492 of them and not get a skill up. Or you could feed 5 and get 5 skill ups. This is a probability. Not trading in tickets for a teddy bear at an arcade. Your stamina doesn't guarantee you anything.

It's a statistical estimation. I don't understand how people don't get that. Just because you may have had a bad experience, doesn't mean that others' results are invalid and that you have the correct perception.

You alone are just one person. You could play this game more than anyone in the world, and you still wouldn't be a large enough sample size to accurately determine the true probability of anything. We only go off of what information we have.

Personally, I recently fed 7 Super Shimonita Konjac's and 16 Super Tsumagoi Cabbage's during a x2 skill up event and got 2 skill ups and 3 skill ups, respectively. Now does that mean my experience gives anymore validity to the statistics we already have? Not really. A bit, yes. But my sample size is no bigger than anyone else's. I don't base probability on my results alone. That would be stupid. My point here is that not everyone has the same experience as you.

And regardless of everything above this sentence, humans have a pretty large negativity bias. I'm sure there have been times when you got more skill ups than you deserved, and I'm sure you were just peachy about it. But you don't go around on the forums eager to tell everyone about your recent fortune now, do you? Of course you don't. Why would any human feel inclined to complain about getting more than others got? You got less than the average. You feel robbed. Obviously you aren't going to have a problem with having good luck.

I'M BACK!! With info <(ಠ_ಠ)>

Ok so apparently it was 2x drop rate even though it wasn't listed at first. Which means that it should've taken me about 63 runs/938 stamina to get 5 skill ups. I got quite a bit luckier. But yeah.

I kept track of my Naga farming over the last day and a half. Here are my results:

When I started, my CLM Echidna wasn't skilled up at all. I did the dungeon 40 times before I got skill up max. Throughout I got 21 Naga's. The majority of them (I'd say ~75%) dropped from encountering them before the last floor. When I did find them on floors 1-4, they drops about half of the time. But I think it was an equal drop chance for anything on the same floor. I may have just got lucky. A lot of them came on the first floor. And the first floor seems to only have 2 monsters more than any other. There were multiple times I got two drops in once dungeon! And once I got three :D

When I first started doing the dungeon, I got much better drops than later on. So the first time I did skill up fusion, I fed 5 at once. I think that's the way to go. Each time I did 5 at once, I got two skill ups. While I don't think that the chance changes at all by doing so, it definitely feels better to feed 5. You are pretty much guaranteed one skill up. When you feed the Naga's as soon as you get them, one at a time, it just sucks because it feels like you NEVER get skill ups. On top of that, if you are feeding one at a time, you're probably not getting very good drops (as I did for a while after my first lucky spree). So I suggest saving them until you have 5 to feed at once. I used 2 stones to restore stamina on the first day (just because I knew I'd have to use some eventually), and none on the second. I leveled up 3 times throughout. So I had a decent amount of stamina. I used exactly 600 stamina total. Statistically, I got a bit lucky with skill ups and drops (although not far off from average). Also I got 6 plus eggs, but that's irrelevant.

So overall, I got about ~35% better success than I should have. I hope you enjoyed my unnecessary wall of text.

Naga, please!! <(ಠ_ಠ)>

I guarantee u the last floor is NOT 20%. Most of the nagas I got from this were from stages before the last floor. the 20% in this game is just like the skill ups: you can feed 15-20 skill ups and you will get 0 skill ups lol.

Thanks for the long lecture and sorry if I offended you br0. I was just stating my bad experiences which is a lot of crappy rates for my account. The only good rate I successfully skilled up something was vampires. Everything else took 40-50 to get 5 skill ups during 20%. These are the skill up materials that requires me to farm fodders and materials to feed it. Yeap, I totally believe my account is cursed :D. Until I hit a lucky max skilling something 1/5, I'll continue this superstition :(

Please, Bacon. Anything multiplied by zero is still zero

Your argument would be valid if their were times when I got multiple skill ups, drops, etc. in batch runs. I only ever get strings of failure.

Twenty skill up attempts or fifty runs through a dungeon are adequate sample sizes to see the results match the chances, within a small margin. The stated probabilities are wrong or Gung Ho doesn't use a RNG without conditionals and modifiers.

Used the Odin + BAO Firefly method - also worked very nicely. Thanks!

Went with Poring/Kelpie, worked great. Thanks!!

Thank you, Zyd!!! I also used poring/kelpie w/ amazing Odin friend and got a free tama :D

I was just clearing int for the stone and I got one lol

Thanks for all those god descends dungeons gungho.. but some love for our healer girls please?

siren is suuuuper easy to skill up, so you just need to get lucky and get one drop from normal or PEM or REM

Agreed for all the healer girls, I didn't get a Succubus 'til I ran Satan at rank 135 and she unexpectedly dropped O_o Rank 158 now and I still don't have a Dryad :L

my worst record in skilling up is with her. Drop rate is crummy , also.

More echidnas?

Yeah I'm up to 5 gained right now. I think I've used 150 Stamina total which isn't terrible. Good luck everyone!

I used about 120 stamina and got one, but im happy cuz i didnt even have one before :D

my rate is slightly worse than yours.. used probably around 200 stam and i've gotten 5 drops - 3 from final boss and 2 from random spawn. My drops were rather streaky. I got 3 in a 1 hour stretch, then 2 in the last 3 runs..

and if anyone is looking for the red devine mask, this dungeon drops a ton. i can never get them to drop in the weekday dungeon, so i'm keeping all the ones i've been able to stock pile here.

I'm assuming that someone changed the time on their device and saw a x2 drop rate for tomorrow. NOTE: all drops are regulated by Gungho servers so there wouldn't be a way to change your time and manipulate dungeons... just guessing that the client side of the game would reflect unaccurate notices if you change your device settings

Edit: Time Travel: http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=2412

What is time travel?

To me the only thing different is that u r guaranteed to have a knight/devil drop on each stage. 2/8 in normal rate and 0/10 during the x2 drop event looks somehow ironic lol.

omg it's 1.4 nagas every dungeon and a 100% skill up rate!
you're my new god

that's very terrible. i just feed 16 and max skill her.

aha congrats! im gonna keep trying though

Nope. I have run this about 80 times now with an average of 1 drop in 5 runs. The last 13 didn't get me a single skill up. In the first few runs I got 5 and got 2 skill ups.

Update: Ran it 15 more times, got 5 drops and my last 2 skill ups. I wish I didn't waste so many stones on this. I'm going to be farming +'s for the rest of the day. Hopefully drops are not as bad as this dungeon.

They must have stacked my drop rate on yours cause I've been thru this room more than 10 times and still nothing.

Same. Nothing :'(

The boss didn't drop for me either. i ran it 5 times but 3 had naga appear beforehand. got from there :D

I think it's 20% per, but I'm not sure. I'd save for double skill up events, especially since menace skill ups are so difficult to get. On average, it should take about 25 Naga's to max skill an Echidna during 2x events (50 without the event), so I'd say it's difficult to max out. She's a pretty amazing spike team sub for doing descendeds.

thanks! i think i'll collect as many nagas as i can and wait til the next 2x event to skill up as you suggested.. probably will take me a few of these naga special events to eventually max level echidna though. i'm close to being able to attempt legendary but not there yet so i'm not in a huge rush to max skill her.

i guess i'll just have to make some space or buy more.

I just ulti evolved my Cu Chu and will have a pretty good balanced spike team.. then maybe work on a dragon team and a valk team.. all of which echidna would be a pretty good member of (i think).

yea i did that with the lil black ripper dragon.. threw away 2 early on when i only had 20 box space.. i've proably spent over 300 stam on the 5 stam early dungeon trying to get him again :(

if we had only known....

sounds like you're one of the lucky ones (depending on how much stam you've used).

I think I am going through exactly the same phase. I am erupting in tears of rage.

thats how most good drops are. drops almost always have a couple less stars than what you beat. (when it comes to bosses and invades)

lucky, ive run ti 5 times today and none, 2x my butt, its 40%?? yeah right, yesterday i got 2 nagas

I didn't get any + egges but I did manage to max her out in 3 hours with 2 stones. Loving it!

i got one max skill, totally worth and essential for some descent.

I did a similar thing (but when trying to level up Persephone) I farmed and stoned for wicked lady. Got 13. I took the time to max level them ALL. Btw also HAD to evole them once.......


I waited for a x2skill up day, and stared feeding the maxed ladies to their queen


I only got 2 skill ups. NEVER AGAIN.

After that I only feed lady the bare minimum necessary.... I got 2 more ladies from pal egg. And got the skill up on both.

*if maxing the monster doesn't higher chance of skill up, than a few feeds Prob don't either
It's just all in the head, but if it makes people FEEL like it helps... Lol doesn't hurt

6 November coin dungeon will arrive.

This rotation doesn't have this dungeon

Today is x2 drops. I'm only 1 skill up away.

I don't see the SSP dungeon in the special dungeons tab in the game :(
Any reason for that ?

Master level is only in the coin dungeon. Drops aren't too bad in Expert.

Primarily rarity. Typically if you run 2 six star or lower leads and a few one or two stars you can hit it on rarity alone. Combos and fewer turns to clear help too but not nearly as much unless you are hitting 8-10 combos. tamadra site shows you exactly what you need for each dungeon to hit s-rank.

The easiest way to get s rank is to use rarity points which means

Your awesome lead
1 star
1 star
1 star
1 star
Your friend's awesome lead

That would get you s rank.

I did it with
Lead: Emperor of Palemecia
1 star x 4
Friend: H.Alraune

Basically I just stall until boss and nuke her. Job done.

hahahaha you got raped son..... i've only fused 3 maybe four nagas into my echidna and have got 2 skill ups from it

I know this is really late, but "some people" is quite an understatement. A big one for that matter.

You fed one echidna to another and got two skill ups out of it? Sounds like a dream.