Surging Demon Lord, Belial
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9 By HomicEYEd#33274 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) I have mixed feelings with the dark to red sub change. 3 HomicEYEd#33274 in reply to TASTEEFIRE#29273 7 years ago ( 6.4.4 ) Two king baddies? Ronia, Belial, Ifrit/Shiva, Hear-Ur, Baddie, and Ronia friend are what I prefer in most instances. Against water/light, having the extra dark is very useful, particularly with Ronia's active. Also, it's nice to have a color that does a little damage rather than always a ton at once, that way you can board control and get actives ready. 1 DLish#34744 in reply to HomicEYEd#33274 7 years ago ( 6.4.5 ) Lu Bu would love to kick that baddie off your team. 0 TASTEEFIRE#29273 7 years ago ( 6.4.4 ) eh... he kinda screams fire tho.. and with red sonia .. the second baddie makes up for the dark sub ... also i think they wanted him supreme over twin star ifrit so there is no argument... ? ... guessing also V V V if he isnt being used on a devil team or fire team then whats the big deal about.... WAIT A MINUTE... is this about a luci team??? smh well ... try this guy with the new ult uzume and you`ll wish he NEVER had a dark Last edited by TASTEEFIRE 7 years ago ( 6.4.4 ) 8 By nturtle#21208 6 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Almost 2 years since his release, and still no viable skill-up options for NA. Boo. Boo I say! 2 cc#475 6 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) At this point I'd just say we may as well wait for an Awoken form with a new skill, but I doubt gungho even remembers this guy exists.. 2 I just rolled him and I'm like wtf STILL NO SKILL UP MATERIAL! With his 7 cd max he could be so awesome :( 0 sc0rch3d#87994 5 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) same here...ugh....such an awesome devil sub for half fire/dark team. The way I manage is to put him on a team heavy with awoken skill ups. can usually get it down to 10 or so. 4 By nturtle#21208 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) Finally, I'm excited for this guy Belial has needed an ulti evo for a while. And just look at that art, awesome! Losing the dark sub element really sucks though, why you do this? :( Last edited by nturtle 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) 3 DLish#34744 7 years ago ( 6.4.5 ) The dark sub offered 30% instead of 10% extra damage, but that assumes you matched a lot of dark. This guy's major role is as a sub for RSonia, Shiva, and to a lesser extent Hera-Ur. You will be matching rows of red on those teams, which will make the sub red on him a lot nicer than 10% sounds as it will get the 20% increase from his awakenings and the row awakenings of your leaders and other fire subs. It also makes him less likely to be bound. I am not saying that red is an upgrade but it definitely isn't a downgrade for the teams he fits on best anyway. 2 By Bjx#16639 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) I like how he looks but i hope they consider making another version where he has dark as sub element. I also hope they think to make another version to Uriel where his sub would be light not fire, tho i like how they look, but the elements to have the subs how they where it help me best on the game. Belial sure looks hot tho, but i wish there was sub dark on him. 1 By KrazyFox#12815 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) Finally giving him some love<3 Welcomed addition to a Ronia team. 1 Well with the row enhancements of Ronia, Belial, Ifrit, and Ronia friend, the damage may be a little more. I haven't calculated it though. 1 I just calculated it using this (http://rugiabaku.com/calDamage.html). From what I found it really seems to depend on how you do with Draco Summing Circle and what other subs you use. Also, I only calculated it using the two Sonias, Belial and Ifrit. Assuming you get a perfect change resulting in 18 fire orbs and 12 dark orbs and are able to get them all in the proper rows giving you 3 rows of fire and 2 of dark and you use Ifrit's skill (giving an extra 1.3 damage multiplier to fire) then the damage difference become negligible with a slight favorite toward the F/F Belial. The totals are: F/F Fire damage-1,709,110 Dark damage-76,588 Total damage-1,785,698 F/D Fire damage-1,647,880 Dark damage-106,376 Total damage-1,754,256 The difference between the two totals (31,442) isn't too noticeable when looking at the full damage output and can be tipped in either sides favor with the right subs (ones with plus orb awakenings or row enhances of fire or dark would change things a lot). It all depends on what else you have to use. 0 Andrew 2.0#30390 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) Evo him for a red heavy R Sonia team otherwise he will actually do less damage. However he will help you meet those HP thresholds which isn't bad and is pretty important for a Ronia team. Last edited by Andrew 2.0 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) 1 By Graves＠PF#19231 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) He looks amazing! Also, the buff to his leader skill turns him into a mini R/B Sonia? 1 By cc#475 7 years ago ( 6.4.4 ) Physical typing is a load of crap. Yeah, can't make the archdemons "too good"... Would have been nice to drop this guy on a Cao Cao team, but nope. 1 By Clefspeare#28839 7 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) How good do you guys think he would be on a krishna team? The only fire types I have allow me to make this team: Krishna Strawberry Dragon Chiyome Belial Asuka, Gigas, or Echidna I realize that this isn't the team section but I wondered if you could give me feedback comments. Last edited by Clefspeare 7 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) 1 dusz3k@PF#30155 7 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) Of course, the last slot is Asuka. Always. Forever. The ultimate waifu. 0 Raisin#46543 7 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Clefspeare, I like your thinking. Your idea for making a Krishna team is top-notch. First, I love my Krishna. If he was real, but tiny, I'd hold him in my hand and squeeze his little blue body and stroke his tiny hat with a feather every morning and feed him cornflakes from a tiny spoon. Anyway, as for your idea, I like it. Belial's got some nice atk and orb change. I was thinking about Uriel as well, with the heal-orb change. But orb-change in general is good - you're right about that. I was pretty lucky and got double RSY to go with my Krishna, so it's all fun at the circus. 0 By epharian#68164 6 years ago ( 7.5 ) I'm acutally considering him as a sub for L. Kali. The skills aren't quite right for this, but the orb chance & retaliation would be excellent. Question: do damage reduction skills (say kushi or keeper of rainbow) reduce the retaliation or is that done before the reduction. Example: I take hit with Kushi active, just after using his skill. Damage is say 10,000 base. Scenario 1: Kushi reduces damage to 2500, and then Belials active hits back for 7500. Scenario 2: hit for 10k damage, retaliate for 30k damage, kushi reduces damage take to 2500. I like the sound of #2 better, but I really have no idea which way it works. Anyone know? 0 mccool37#4389 6 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Scenario 1 and it works that way with leader, active and awoken skills. 0 By BambooDude#17649 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) His Awakenings are like a mini Red Odin and his leader skill is like a mini Ronia :) 0 By Auda#43093 7 years ago ( 6.5.2 ) I wish they would have made his sword a different color, the illustration kinda gets lost in that are by the chariot wheel, but that doesn't stop this guy from kicking but on my ronia team! 0 Apate4256#48352 7 years ago ( 6.5.2 ) True, the sword is a little hard to see, but I think his art work still looks really cool 0 By Tony#37833 7 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) If you guys wanted another reason to invest in this guy, you can use him on a Minerva team. his stats are pretty considerable, he deals tons of fire row damage and if you can get him to max skilled via new skill ups hopefully in NA. This guy would be pretty beast. I mean it's 10 freaking turns to change green to fire orbs. Not as good as Gigas, Chiyome, Homura, or Dino Rider, but this guy provides two skill boosts and two fire row awakenings with his 1.5k attack he does some damage. This would also be a great addition to a Shiva team with Hera-Ur ^^ (uprising). At first, I was a little hesitant about investing into this guy for my fire team, but I see his potential and I'm working on him now. Skill ups would be great though. 0 Kirito#46338 6 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) Buffed his AS to 7 turn max so now he could be just as good as those guys---if only he'd get freakin skill up fodder already! 0 By OUSIA.#60482 7 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) His handsome appearance makes me glad to keep him in my team(s) :D 0 By db#50765 6 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Not sure about this uvo. Bump in stats is nice, bump in leader skill is OK(not really a lead monster anyway). But, what about some more awakenings? Gold Keeper for stat increase only, not sure its worth it. 0 By Clefspeare#28839 6 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) What you guys aren't taking into account is that he would probably work pretty well as a leader for a physical red team. I want to try something like Belial, Goemon, Red Riding Hood, Physical Shiva, King Mastering, Guan Yinping or a dupe of someone else, and either another Belial or a King Mastering. 0 By 610HERO#63044 6 years ago ( 7.5 ) Ok, its skill is awesome, but how are we possibly make it skill-max when monsters are from JP collab only? 10 flampy? Gotta kidding me Last edited by 610HERO 6 years ago ( 7.5 ) 0 By Neo-Kmx3#83378 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) He just got a super evo(evo of the ultimate. just got released! -4 By Jay#9677 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) the new 3k units completely render this guy useless, even their base form out class this guys ultimate evolve form. not to mention one of requirement is gold gate keeper 4 HomicEYEd#33274 7 years ago ( 6.4.3 ) What? Some cards are made to be leaders, others more for subs. Look at the awoken skills on this guy. He has essentially the best skills for a fire devil. You are basing value purely off of leader skills, which is silly. You only have one leader, but 4 subs... 0 Right he is like hellfire pyros master... and twice as good ...respectivly... you wouldn`t put a dark sub on hellfire so ... -12 By Krosis#35940 7 years ago ( 6.4.5 ) This post has been flagged as spam Show 4 Bahamut#19980 7 years ago ( 6.4.5 ) You're not Jerry@LL. You'll never be as close to making no sense from him. 0 Don't lie. You just failed at copying jerry and are trying to pretend like you're not 0 Ferracene#23658 7 years ago ( 6.5.2 ) Yeah Krosis don't be a- oh wait now that you mention it, this "flaming" demon lord does look like he can't wait to get "physical". *sigh* if only your name was Jerry@LL then this type of outburst would be acceptable. At least you're not the guy who admitted to using his Robin as fodder! 0 Uh yeah, truth is I was making perfect sense, this could be interpreted as s3xual imagery. Just because I'm trying to be funny doesnt mean Im trying to be like Jerry. 0 Dont lie? I was just saying what popped into my head. If you dont like it bury it with downvotes, whatever, but dont accuse me of copying some other user for trying to be funny. 0 You should have fed the Robins to Anubis, its only natural. 0 I would if i had anubis :( i want him so bad |
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