Heaven-Shaking Archdemon, Lucifer

Devil May Cry.

"Might controls everything and without strength, you cannot protect anything." "Let alone yourself."

i like the idea that you make decisions in regards to selling your soul based off of the buyer's hair style.

Ahahaha It's all about the hair. ;)

Red Sonia's leader skill is litteraly the same thing but RCV x 2.5 ...

annnnd i just realized what you said *fail*

Unlimited Blade Works (LOL)

he does have that look too him

UNGAAAAHH-BULOUS IS HE

That depends on what you want. Same weighted stats but D/D has better ATK and D/R has better HP. Different subtypes could matter if you aren't running him on a devil team. Leader skills buff different types, both are good but not great.

The only other real difference is sub-element. D/D means only 10% on the sub attack vs 30% on the D/R sub, but you are likely running him on a dark row enhance team in which case that extra 10% dark attack could be more useful than the fire.

All in all one is not way better than the other unless you have a specific team to take advantage of subtype or want to use them as a leader. D/D requires 2 devilits vs 1 so it could arguably be considered what GungHo believes is the more powerful one, but that logic is a little shaky.

If you do not own a Ronia or want to use it as a sub in a Ronia team I would say this one. If you have the subs for a dark attacker team or own a dark Metatron, then the other one.

Demon Gods is always translated to Archdemons.

Sorry, I got overly excited, as you may have noticed...

On a side-note: there's another user on this website named "Greg" as well. We have a decent conversation over at Nebradisk's page.

Satan nor this guy doesn't have it, but the current demons that did have them also had the Curse skills with a counter and orb change.

The last Curse skill for Dark attribute belongs to Anubis.

I await Awoken Anubis.

my brother got 3 and now i`m REALLY jelly of him

what's he going to do with the third?

missing that .5 rcv but people who have him are going to use them till they roll a sonia which is a good idea sense ronia doesnt like to leave the REM at times

If you had a ronia why would you ever use this a leader and her as a sub. If he had a higher attack leader skill then maybe but other than that...no

This one has a better health pool, same active skill, and the sub-type is irrelevant for Ronia. He may lose attack, but most of the cards on a Sonia team are jam packed with it anyway; the sub-type also benefits more from Sonia's row's than the D/D Uvo.

Not only that, but if you would rather build a Dark Ronia team, you could actually use this guy as a leader instead of your own Ronia (unless you needed two turns of nukes).

If looking for a Ronia replacement for the leader skill and you are not Attacker-type centered (red or black), I would say go for this version.

Thank you. I needed some reassurance. Now i feel better that I'm choosing this guy!

Rolled a Ronia just now. At Rank 150+. I'll probably choose D/D Lucifer's Ultimate Evolution instead, since he has more burst. What do you think?

don't forget that ronia skill makes a lot of red orbs, and sub types deal more damage when not the same color (assuming you're using basically the same amount of orbs for both colors)

I calculated, and D/D Lucifer still does more damage in total, even when considering D/F's higher sub-element damage.

If you have a lot of dark orb changers, the awoken form is better than both UEVO forms. 4x dark attack when clearing 6+ dark orbs, plus extra HP and recovery. Since he multiplies all dark, you can put non-devil cards on your team (like Eschamali), plus 1 extra row enhance. Since Ronia is not dark as main attribute, he wouldn't multiply her fire attack if you really want to use her, so HS Luci might be better.

I haven't tested it myself, but seeing as the skill is affected by defense, I'd say yes! c:

Coming after the 7.1.1 patch!! (September 24, 2014)

Idiot? Eh, I was never a fan of name calling, and it also doesn't win you any friends. Ronia is better all around. I can't dispute that. My comment also came before her new UVO and she blows this card out of the park. I don't have much ground to argue any more lol. My stance on Luci doesn't change though. With the right subs you can make a build that is just as strong if not stronger than a Ronia build. The leader isn't the single factor that determines a team's damage output. Also, if I can take on the same descends with Luci build, what difference does it make? And I guess you missed the core of my post, which was that ppl should let this card shine one its own. I'm over OP devil cards. I've started deleting Ronia users from my friend's list. Too many of them. This card is awesome. Tossing shade because it isn't Ronia is lame.

Got dammit lol. I won't use your Ronia!! :-p JK. I run my Lu Bu build occasionally if I need a stress free descend run and I'm sure I'll use your Ronia then. I get my damage from spikes. I run both Lu Bu and Batman and then orb converters. My Rider's damage output is insane with 2 TPAs and having his active max skilled lets me use it a few times. Arcane Vamp helps and using an Ally Haku give me crazy damage, 2 more rows, and more orb conversion. Pretty solid build when I want to run Luci as my main just to show his amazing art off lol.

And how the heck can you see my responses so quickly? I randomly came to this page to look at old posts and saw you responded a month ago lol.

You're an idiot to think this is better than ronia....both great...but clearly ronia is superior

Don't take the idiot thing personal. And i was also talking of the 2nd stage ronia as well. What makes her better than luci in every single is the active skill. You cant do the damage a ronia team can without that active. The only thing luci has over ronia is the second dark row (which chibi ronia quickly ruined that). So how do you take on the same descends with luci? Do you have a ronia on your team? How do you your major damage in the end? Do you use something that is a poor man ronia board change? My point is clear, ronia will always be better but by no means is he bad. Thats the truth, he will forever be in the ronia shadow. And i have a ronia and you're friends with me lol