Mighty Dragon General, Zhao Yun

that is super good man!

Agreed, Restrained Dragon Hero, Liu Bei is much better as a sub than a leader

Orb enhancing is for full boards (+180% versus +72% for 4x3) and a waste of a slot in GZL teams that could be used for a heart breaker/orb changer/damage reducer. Athena is off color. Even being an attacker she will be used for saving greens and clearing waves without GZL's active. Zhang Fei and Cauchemar are way better farmable subs than her.

Athena's love is mostly because people already have her pumped full of eggs by the time they get GZL and, in this case, of course she is a great sub. Because she is ready. It is the other way around: GZL is a great sub for her.

No offense intended.

He's still usable, you'd just have to be careful with the active.

No offense taken. I think Zhang Fei would be a fine farmable sub, but Cauchemar is not attacker type. No TPA, he has a row. Furthermore what you say about Athena is correct in a good way, she TPA away trash mobs with off color that is not orb changed away. I don't have Starling or angel Michael. They orb change away light to green.

I guess you're right I am biased with the cards I have. I do have Athena max level. My GZL sub cards are:

Kushi max level (dmg reducer)
Cu Chu max level & skill (heartbreaker)
Sasuke max level & skill (change away blue)
ADKZ max level & skill (change away fire)
Chibi meimei max level & skill (full board orb changer)
Athena max level
Umi/Yama max level, skill CD (9)

No Bard Robin yet though, but its moot for me since he still has no USA skill-up fodder.

Personally as a non-IAP, I prefer dual color teams, less orb trolling chance. I guess since a GZL team consists of mainly quick orb changers this is less of an issue.

I did not do Cauchemar descended yet, though I do have Astaroth but do not use her much. I will be trying for Zhang Fei tonite though. Mostly because I also have a Verdandi... ^^

yomi is better.

I think he's perfect for a GZL team. Low RCV, wood Attacker, with a TPA & skill boost. His active is a good panic button for those boss fights when your almost dead. Looking forward to this card.

Athena active skill is better! Lower CD (7)!

Athena has 2 TPA. Better weighted stats.

Yes, you will be fine, i've been playing around 450ish days. Levelling up is very important.

I'll need to get Cauchemar soon, his full board orb change in a farmable card is great. And yes, alot of ADKZ active skill synergy. They kept Cauchemar active CD at max skill (12) so not to be too good and compete with chinese gods CD (9).

Magic stones priority when you are non-IAP and beginning player is a balancing act of increasing friends list, box space, and pull from the REM. GZL should be able to take you far.

Even if Athena is off-color she has an extra TPA and 500 more ATK. Attack wise she and Zhao Yun should contribute roughly the same way, and the quicker CD is much better too while the heal can be very detrimental.

The Ult evo Canopus has the same skill and no heal, so if you think you need that enhance he's the way to go

is he better than Athena? not sure...

Athena leader is better.
His active is better (long cd)...
Athena has better art work, WOOT!

Zhang Fei will have to wait. I have the subs but not the levels.

I got Cauchemar to complete my starter GZL team. I have Athena and the 2TPA ulti evo mats but, like you, I am used to dual/tri color teams and wanted to make sure I do not run out of ammo and all the better if I can do it with added bonuses.

I will run Bard Robin, Cu Chu (G/D now, G/R later), ADKZ, Cauchemar.
Trash mobs will be cleared with dark TPA, water (if they are trashy enough), fire (later) or 3 greens. All of them make ammo. Bard Robin, Cu Chu and Cauchemar clear hearts. Cauchemar reduces damage.

What makes Cauchemar a great sub, beyond the full board change is the bonuns 30% damage reduction. It can give you 2 turns of spike, allow you to enter the zone without dieing or be a safe net for over healing. The awakes are really bad with an autoheal preventing you from getting to the skill boost but row enhance is not that bad as sometimes you get too many greens and can't make TPAs and in this situation you count his attack as his own + 10% attack from the rest of the team for each row. The good thing about TPA is that you can make more with less but you don't need to worry about it when you have a lot more at 32x. And what makes he even better in my team is the synergy with ADKZ. Seriously, if they gave him attacker subtype and TPA he would be too good and break the game.

This is my personal non IAP view. I invested only in dragons during most of my 117 days of playing until I got GZL. I had Marine Rider collecting dust on my box (failed attempt to get Arthur). I feel about Cauchemar the same way I felt about Dragon Zombie: Game changing.

I thought he looked more like Ross from Game Grumps, especially in his pre-evo.

"Another obstacle in the path of justice have fallen before me" - Zhao Yun, DW8

That's cool. I want to start saying that. :)

Kinda like Cauchemar in that regard.

Well he does get awakenings and Dragon sub-type at least.

The higher your HP, the more damage you can take before falling UNDER 50%.
The higher your RCV, well, the higher your RCV.

NEW AND IMPROVED TEAM?

Zhao Yun (Enhanced Wood and Light Orbs and 25% Heal)
Divine Law Goddess, Valkyrie Rose (Heart-->Light)
Steadfast Bearded Deity, Guan Yu (Heart-->Wood)
Moral Commanding Deity, Liu Bei (Heart and Dark-->Wood)
Guardian Dragon, Avalon Drake (All Orbs-->Wood and Light)
Zhao Yun (Enhanced Wood and Light Orbs and 25% Heal)



NON+297 Team:
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1711.99.1.0.0.0.3..1727.99.1.0.0.0.5..1242.99.1.0.0.0.5..1236.99.1.0.0.0.4..1131.99.1.0.0.0.4..1711.99.1.0.0.0.3

HP: 42,858
Heal Rate: 3,602
Wood ATK Damage: 49,431(Not Counting Row Enhance or Prong Enhance)
Light ATK Damage: 21,318

+297 Team:
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1711.99.1.99.99.99.3..1727.99.1.99.99.99.5..1242.99.1.99.99.99.5..1236.99.1.99.99.99.4..1131.99.1.99.99.99.4..1711.99.1.99.99.99.3

HP: 56,223
Heal Rate: 7,611
Wood ATK Damage:65,931(Not Counting Row Enhance or Prong Enhance)
Light ATK Damage: 28,537

EDIT: This Team is extremely REM dependent.

EDIT 2: Swap Valkyrie With Odin for more synergy.

EXCEPT now that they released the new ultimates, who isn't getting the 3 tpa bei

GGY turns hearts to WOOD. Not fire to WOOD (geez. PAD not poké)

Well now s/he edited it to say wood not grass now

but if you boost both hp and rcv how does that make heal back up to 50% easier?

Also, LiuBei, Zhangfei and GuanYu have Wood orb changers while ZhaoYun has wood enhancer, its literally the dream team.

U just have to watch that hp threshold when using skills