Awoken Archdemon Lucifer
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10 By SeiGwaiLo#55295 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Oh my lawd. I'm one of the few idiots that maxed skilled my Lucifer... I guess it's a good thing I didn't sell my dupe Lucifer. :) 1 Rubicari#3272 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I love his original active maxed (5 turn mini nuke w orb enhance is no joke). But if I had 2 Luci's, I'd be tempted to Uvo both just for that God Killer awakening! 1 He said the OLD Eva collab specifically 0 Biks#49442 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Lol I maxed 2 luci both in the old eva collab. It took about 200 box spaces to horde all the starfishes and 4 months to evolve them all. Not ever gonna do that again but still good times. Last edited by Biks 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 assuming ignorance so i will illuminate the dubmythlit wasnt a skill-up for lucifer until about 6 months ago correct me if you know the actual time sixth angel has skill-upped him for significantly longer 0 I did the same thing, two FA Luci's in EVA. At least I didn't skill the third. 0 CoffeeHo#30593 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I max-skilled mine and I am not going to change him. He is my favourite and I use him daily. But, when I get a second one, I will create this guy. 0 Andronik#47480 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Also max skilled mine with the Eva collab....But I just ult evo'd him anyways XD This is his destiny! To be a mad powerhouse ^_~ Guess I'll have to max skill him again. Labor of love or something like that... -7 Why didn't u skill him up with Dublyths? Takes much less box space :-) 6 By Stevie@PG#13871 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) His legs bother me.... I think its because his right leg is not over the shadow... kinda makes him look like a puppet. Last edited by Stevie@PG 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 1 Why is that feature disturbing, it looks like Kirito`s Elucidator WAAAAAAIIIT A MINUTE!!!!!! eLUCIdator......... that couldn`t have been a coincidence.......especially with the SAO hye going on when this guy was revealed Last edited by V-GUARD 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 0 Vinh#92206 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) His sword bothers me. Why are there little spikes near the handle? 4 By Freddy#34435 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Always fun to realize that there's about 100 dubmylits that I'll never get back lol. 3 By urtoast(F)#4427 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) And now I have a reason to make uvo Satan. Edit: also, the ultimate single target nuke has arrived. Every 8 turns (at max skill level), 150k single target defense-ignoring nuke + 3 dark orb spawn. Last edited by urtoast(F) 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 1 By Espadas#54574 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) The artwork is great but i can't shake the feeling his previous uevos looked more threatening.... more "Evil Lord" 5 JimBeam#65320 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) i dunno if its all my gaming, but the "heavenly" looking characters are usually more evil than the ones that look the part 1 By pad canada#83707 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) god killer awoken skill is going to be great in challenge dungeons 0 manesero#47512 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Imagine this god killer on an awoken ra team with Lu bu active. That's a 750x dmg multiplier for this card alone. 0 Now with the reincarnated form of Ra I think he inflicts a max of 450x but I'm probably wrong. When I started typing this reply, I was thinking that a God Killer on Ra would make him seriously overpowered but it can be a real PITA to make an all attribute combo for every single turn. I guess if you ran ReRa lead and helper and had all max skilled Light Kali subs, most dungeons would be a cakewalk. As long as locked orbs or something similar didn't get in your way and as long as there was no Resolve and nothing that absorbs damage over a certain amount, etc you could breeze through the game. That's one of the things I love about this game and has kept me logging in every single day for 940+ consecutive days, they create new tactics to ensure that just inflicting a ton of damage is no guarantee that you can beat a dungeon. They add things that require a little finesse and sometimes a lot of skill. I really thought I'd get bored once I had a max skilled copy of almost every single boss monster in the game but GungHo adds enough new features to keep even my ADD mind focused. 1 By sungyulkim#28915 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) no crazy anime effect on this guy.. i kinda like this simple. 1 By Dragonborn#93844 4 years ago ( 9.6.3 ) When will we be getting Reincarnated Lucifer? He's been around far longer than many of the others who have already been reincarnated... 0 By OUSIA.#60482 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Lucifer eats both the king of gods and the lord of devils to awake…He is definitely one of the most powerful cards of this game in a variety of ways. 0 By gotdemoted#63836 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) so excited for this evo although disappointed since it took forever to max skill his un awoken evo >.> 0 By JD@PG#10461 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) With the God killer awakening and the stat boosts, Lucifer himself does about x49 damage and not the whole team. Also with the 3 dark row enhances, he might be the same level as Awoken Yomi or even better than her. 0 By Moldy#73838 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) No wonder the game decided to fill my box up with Devilits when I need Angelits for my (still) not-skilled-up LKali. It knew Awoken Archdemon Luci was on the way >.> 0 By El Rayo#25260 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) This guy is a beast! 3x mult worried me a little, but Batwing or A. Loki will work that out. Oh man I cannot wait!! 0 By FlyingKing#82064 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) He looks like a lost Final Fantasy boss. Not saying that's a bad thing. I'd play One Winged Angel but... ...He looks like he has at least nine. I think there's a hidden tenth one hidden behind his flowing fabulous hair. 0 By Wot#30201 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Oh man that 1.82/16.4/1.82 is basically a better pandora leader. It has a higher spike with less orbs and also boosts hp and rcv~ even better that a hypermaxed pandora will fit perfectly into this team! also....awoken loki pls come soon for this QQ 0 By noir#67277 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Does anyone have some good team ideas using him as leader care to share here 1 Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Double A. Luci leads Subs : - Ult Pandora - Sleeping Beauty - D/D Haku - Summer Valk - Regular DValk This team has everything, if you happen to have Summer Valk (yes, I'm lucky^^) Sleeping Beauty for the bind clear 2 heart makers (Pandora, sleeping beauty) 100% skill lock 12 rows Depending on the dungeon, you can sub in a D/W Batman (Skill Lock) or Lu Bu (extra rows) for the spike. Goetia or Hadar for the enhance (preferably Goetia because of low cooldown+orb creation) It's a rather luxury team, but with for example an ult Vampire and a Drawn Joker, you can make a farmable team with less rows, but easily obtainable. 0 Being that a prolific minority of A. AD Luci owners-to-be will be converting their YomiDra teams, YD herself is extremely viable as the bind-clearer. Not that SB isn't the next-best and most available. Mitsuhide and Castor are other new additions that really round out Luci's game. 0 By Justin#47592 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) When Awoken Lucifer essentially has Gamble Mage's active but with four extra turns tacked on for a useless single target true damage attack. I know true damage can be really helpful and Lucifer as a YomiDra sub I believe is part of the fastest Arena clear team yet, but could they really not just make it multi-target? He's great nonetheless and I'm gonna Awoken both of my two extras so I don't lose the max skill on my original, but his active just feels kind of lackluster for an Awoken God. 2 BazBiscuit#9946 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) There's couple factors I believe everyone is missing with an active like Luci here. -Firstly not everyone has a Ra or Rodin to kill an extreme metal dragon, so I'm happy for having this active. -Not all actives are intended as boss killers. Unlike Ra who multi kills all the defensive small fry before the big boss in one shot, Luci can kill off the couple that would be an issue and allow the player to stall on one that boasts the least danger to get all skills ready. His LS certainly allows for easier stalling. How often has there been a Tama with 2 powerful henchmen right before a boss that you wish you could wait a few extra turns on? -Try to consider the power of having 2 Luci leaders over just 1. 2 Lucis can do 300k and also allows for LS activation. Although I do think it more worthwhile to manage your orbs so you can use them one after the other. -And lastly, expect to see in future multiple rounds of super defensive monsters with over 100k hp or one with over 200k hp that even 2 Ra couldn't kill with actives. Last edited by BazBiscuit 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 1 Reverb#71029 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Don't forget that he spawns dark orbs with his skill, so it's actually really useful 1 Lol didn't see the part about Gamble Mage, my bad. I do think that fixed damage part of his active could be really useful though. You could use it to oneshot Extreme King Metal, and it could also be handy for breaking an enemies resolve, since resolve seems to be all the rage these days. I think fixed damage plus 3 dark orbs every eight turns seems pretty reasonable. Last edited by Reverb 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 1 I don't mean to discredit you, but how often will you be able to take a boss out of its perseverance range with a 150k nuke? Lets say the average resolve enemy has 6mil health. That means you have to have them within 2.5% of their perseverance break. That's like 10 pixels on your phone. 0 That's... my point. He spawns three Dark orbs, as many as Gamble Mage. The only difference in the actives is that you have to wait twice as long for Lucifer's active to come back up (even though those Dark orbs he's making are essentially and need to be churned out as frequently as possible) just so you can get a single-target true damage attack, which is great as a niche, but doesn't really justify the four extra turns. As a row leader, making Dark orbs are easily the most important part of his active, and the active is kind of dragged down by the true damage because it adds so many turns for a far more situational active. 0 Corey#63534 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) You definitely have a point, I've also been comparing his active to Awoken Ra and in my opinion, even though they're completely different leaders, overall in their respective situation Ra's active is better than Luci's. 3 extra seconds of move time is much more useful to Ra, than 3 random dark orbs are to Luci. Plus having a multi-target fixed-damage at 77k is much better, and more useful in the majority of situations that you might find yourself in. Not only that, but there are very few, if any enemies with between 77k and 150k hp with high defense. Really the only thing you see are floors with multiple high defense/low hp mobs or fatty dragon. Last edited by Corey 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Quattro#60184 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) It's entirely possible to have missed the current shift in dark Arena 2 teams towards double AD Luci (over Yomidra, where she's now his sub). Predras are messing up a ton of Arena 1 teams, but he basically functions like Yomidra without the need for 30 dark resists (and uses Mitsuhide to greater effect). 0 By Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) My materials are ready, so bring it on! I'm curious if he can replace my summer valk as my devil lead, but I'm guessing he'll do just fine :-) 0 Vaedriel#74848 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) The only mat I have left to get for my favorite Fallen Angel is a Satan, and oh my, Satan's in the current Coin Dungeons... how convenient! **edit** Actually Satan just showed up in the Descended lineup for Wednesday. Sweet! I really can't wait for this uevo to come out! My new devil team line up will look like this: A.Lucifer Ronia Akechi D/G Persephone A.Loki A.Lucifer 11 Skill boost, 5 Skill lock and 13 Rows!! Biggest weakness will be skill bind. :( Last edited by Vaedriel 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 I would trade ronia for something else here, a.haku , pandora, sleeping beauty or aamir for bind clear, etc. 0 Don't u have 100% skill bind resistance? Why are skill binds a problem? 0 I think you mean weak to regular binds? It's very difficult to have both resistance to binds and skill binds, but as mentioned, switch out ronia for Aamir, Halloween Alraune (waste of her 2 skill binds) or Sleeping beauty. Ronia only adds 1 row and a very nice orb change, but putting in a bind resist would be just perfect. The damage output with 1 row less would be still amazing, but you'll have an easier time getting to the bosses. Especially Sleeping Beauty would be nice. A TPA for clearing the non-boss floors, bind resist, bind clear AND a rare devil heart maker. Heart making works better in this high RCV team then a 4000hp recovery of Aamir. Of course, Aamir is farmable :-) My team will be : A. Lucifer Ult Pandora D/D Haku Summer Claire Sleeping Beauty A. Lucifer friend lead 12 rows, tons of skill boosts, tpa's, full board change, bind resist+clear, 100% skill resist, 2 heart makers, quick orb change (heart break if I don't need the rcv from the heart making). The only thing missing here, is either a spike or a orb enhancer. I have both (D/W Batman and Goetia), When I don't need that much orb changers or skill/bind resist. Goetia is also an orb changer, but doesn't add any row enhance. And of course, HP and RCV are huge because of Lucifer's LS. I also have 2 extra Haku's for dungeons with heavy Jammer/Poison mobs, but I still need to max skill them all :-) I feel kinda blessed with my devil options :-) 0 Yes, I did switch out Ronia with D/D Haku. A.Loki is the flex sub spot depending on the descends. My only concern now is do I turn my D/D Haku into A.Haku? I'm saving up MP for a Yomi Dragon and I know A.Haku is very useful on that team with Okuni too, so I'm slowing leaning that way... Last edited by Vaedriel 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 For Yomi dragon, A. Haku is much better then D/D haku. It depends on what team you'll be mostly running. Yomidra would be the better lead, but then you'll need a maxed plussed team for the HP. For end game content, I'd choose A. Haku for Yomidra. If you're already investing in A. Luci (like me), I'd stay with D/D haku 0 By 1x1x1x1#61962 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Should I keep the unevolved version of this card to get this awoken form? 0 By silentkill#44867 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Is it worth it to put 3 of these on the same team (4 with a friend), and what subs can go with him? I have a lot of purple devils and gods but they are mostly two prong based. 1 BiggestFan#65575 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Not unless you don't have any other dark devil/gods. I should be more Specific though. His stats are great for his leader skill, so having 4 on a team would be good in the team stats department. Also awakenings are good with all those rows and skill bind resists, and of course God Killer. However, that many skill boosts become pretty superfluous. You're talking 12 on the lucifers alone. They're only useful if you're bringing along a card with a really long CD to be up at the beginning of the dungeon. The biggest downside is his active. The true damage is really great when it's needed, but that is way too infrequently to justify bringing 4 actives. Not considering the damage, it's just an 8 turn, 3 dark orb spawn. Pretty bad. You'll want to fill your subs with utility and orb makers. Just think that Lucifers damage multiplier isn't that high, so he needs things like shields, delays, damage multipliers, and orb enhances to help with his tank and spank play style. DMeta, Pandora, Akechi, Awoken Loki, DIzanami, Lu Bu are just some I thought of off the top of my head that would all help you a lot more than additional Lucifers. 0 Not that high of a Multiplier? He has a 4x multiplier on a team that can easily have 10-13 rows. Seems pretty good to me. On topic now, he's not that good of a sub for himself, since his LS is conditional. It will be hard to trigger if you don't have a sufficient orb supply. Double orb changers or full board changers (Persephone, D/D Haku, Zuoh), quick orb changers (DValk, Hanzo) and heart makers (Pandora, Sleeping Beauty) are your subs. The 4th spot can be taken by a utility sub : enhance (Goetia, Hadar), defense (DIzanami, DMeta) or spike (A. Loki, Lu Bu, Baddie, D/W Batman) 0 thx guys :) since i dont have too many row focused dark gods and devils ill sub the 2 awoken lucifers with a diadem and gryps rider vec fin for orb change and max row damage even tho diadem does not get god or devil multiplier. The actives are low cool down and diadem can create a row at will. 0 I'd suggestie farming for a Vamp or Drawn Joker, since they benefit from Luci's LS. Vamp doesn't have rows, but he's a quick orb changer, which you really need for Luci. Another farmable option would be Chaos Devil Dragon, although his awakening are useless, he has decent stats and an orb change. Hadar had very good stats, row enhance, but doesn't have an orb change. I wouldn't suggest him, unless you notice you can miss the 3 orbs from one of you Luci's and need more burst damage output. Also, if you really want to focus on your luci team, you should choose your REM Rolls wisely. For example, only pull from the REM during Midnight Gala or during a specific pantheon (greco roman for persephone, heroes for Pandora ...). I would even go as far as saying not to roll during godfests with high godfest exclusive rate, since the GFE's don't really have good subs for luci. Good luck 0 By Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Since I've just seen Blonia clearing Ultimate Arena, this guy should be able to clear it with ease :-) 0 By Joseph#75017 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) How does this sound? Leader: Awoken Archdemon Lucifer Subs: Awoken Loki Wailing Bleak Night Goddess, Pandora Wailing Bleak Night Goddess, Pandora Shadow Dragon Knight Friend: Awoken Archdemon Lucifer That gives me 12 rows, 5 Skill blocks, 6 turn bind recovery from the Pandoras along with Shadow Dragon Knights active and a two turn spike from loki... My Loki, both Pandoras, and SDK are at or 1 skill-up(looking at you loki!) from max skill... question tho, should I switch one of the Pandoras for a D/D Haku? Or something else? Edit: I know D/R Valk would be the perfect replacement for SDK but I have not yet pleased the right gods to obtain her, I have all the other Valks but not her.. and honestly, unless they buff either of the Vamp ults I've really just given up on them. So I'm loosing the 1.35 stat boots for SDK but I get my heartbreaker. Just so no one has to waste time stating the obvious. Last edited by Joseph 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) You could try farm Gravis. His negative RCV shouldn't be a problem, but you might want to raise it to 0 or 97. Starting from zero, he doesn't bring your other card's RCV down anymore, and you'll have plenty of RCV from your other cards. He does add a huge amount of HP and he benefits from the complete LS (devil/physical). Aamir is also a farmable bind clearing devil, but he isn't a heart breaker, of course. If you're only looking for heart breaking without the bind clearing, then Vamp is your way to go. None of the above have rows, but all of them are farmable and benefit from Luci's stat boost. Good luck! 0 Thank you @Cornykova, I'll play around with that 5th sub spot, I thought it would be a utility spot, more dungeon specific. I have a sad addiction to devil/dark cards and teams so i have options. If i could just teach myself to match orbs better I'd just use my A. Ra but for some reason i seem incapable of doing so. I'll keep at it and hopefully come up with a team I can finally beat the last few dungeons. 0 For a dark utility spot, Dark Izanami is a great farmable sub for dark teams. She's not Devil, but does have the god typing. She's considered a staple card in many end game dungeons, because of the duration of her shield. As for comboing : I'm level 317 and I still don't know how to combo 5-7 on each board. There are som very good tutorials on YouTube and you can also learn from just watching those vids. Best way to practice combo's (or any team setup), is the Endless corridors. You don't need stamina, so it doesn't matter if you fail. It's the perfect practice during the time your stamina's refilling. 0 By manesero#47512 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Version 8.6 is out, and they say he's available. I unfused my Satan to make this guy, but he's not showing up in the options to fuse?!?! Noooooo!!!! Last edited by manesero 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 Chrispy!PF#49095 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) The other Luci is available. not this one. yet. next week or the week after probably. 0 By Sena#85953 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) X49.2 Atk. when killing gods. that's too good. 0 manesero#47512 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) imagine him as a sub on an awoken Ra team w/ a Lu Bu active. Standard Ra/Ra 100x and match 5 colours Lu Bu 2.5x for devils God Killer Awakening 3x 750x attack against gods for this card - 1500x main against yellow gods, and 500x for dark gods. But those dublyths I'll never see again, well worth this bonus. 0 By manesero#47512 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I just realized that him as a lead is going to make this team destroy so many things. Awoken Archdemon Lucifer Awoken Archdemon Lucifer Awoken Anubis Banishing Claw Byakko, Haku Deliberate Rebel, Akechi Mitsuhide Awoken Archdemon Lucifer All devil or god 3 units w/ Godkiller 13 row enhance Orb changers galore Potential alternates I've got include: Zaerog Ronia x 2 Seraph of Corruption, Lucifer Dark Metatron Old Caste Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia Moonlit Prowler, Vampire Lord 1 Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Switch out your sub Luci or Anubis for DMeta and halloween Vamp. The enhance and shield from DMeta will help you out a lot (very short CD), and as stated before, halloween Vamp has fast orb change + row. DMeta has skill bind resist, so you'll still be safe there. You switch out 1 row for a very good utility sub that can act both offensive as defensive. You won't need the 3 orbs from your sub Luci anyway, since you'll have 1 full board changer, 1 double orb changer (and jammer/poison change), 1 heart breaker, 2 hastes and 2 orb creations from your leads. Should be enough to supply the needed dark orbs. With these changes you keep your teams utility (same amount of rows, skill blocks and skill boosts), but gain a shield, an enhance and a faster orb change. Totally worth it! 0 Reverb#71029 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I would replace your Anubis with Vamp. He has an faster orb change than Anubis and he has rows as well. 0 By Tofu#84602 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Awesomeness, This is a killer uevo! Makes me glad I have no real use for Satan or Zeus anyway. 0 By Omegas#27573 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) -My team AAd Luci (lead) Mitsuhide D/D Haku D/G Persephone Wild Card - Ronia (hype Maxed stat stick), A. Isis, Echidna, D/L Lilith, LuBu, A. Horus AAd Luci (friend) It would be easier to list descends I haven't zero stoned with this team. 0 Shoukon#35202 5 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) If you have less than 5 Orb-Enhances in the team, I suggest using Ars-Goetia as a sub. That would make 5 OEs in total (1 from Haku, 4 from Goetia). It means higher chance of matching +orbs (probably 2 +orbs in each of the rows, meaning a x1.12 attack bonus) And a further x1.25 attack bonus due to the OE awakening skills. This would be much better than having pure row-enhances but little to no orb-enhances. Last edited by Shoukon 5 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 0 By Da Crunk#89896 5 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) interesting that lucifer's archangel counterpart used to be the top tier lead while archdemon luci was left in the dust. now it's sorta the opposite... 0 By ONSLAUGHT#75353 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) The question for me since I magically pulled both around the same time....who's the better leader: Sephiroth....or Awoken Lucifer Decisions... 0 By Da Crunk#89896 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) If anyone out there is having trouble with Journey to the west, this guy could do a pretty good job of beating it. The team I think would probably best suit a less dungeon specific build is this: A. Lucifer A. Loki Sub dark Haku Sub green Persephone Akechi mitsuhide/A.Pandora A. Lucifer Gives about 34k Hp, full skill bind resist, and 14 rows. Next to pandora, this is probably the best tank lead in the game right now. 0 By Mr-ex777#91897 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) Once a total joke, Archdemon Lucifer is now ready for the top tiers of the metagame. Unlike his sad archangel counterpart. Last edited by Mr-ex777 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 0 By TheDarkMes#69454 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) I am looking at running a team with this guy. This is the team I am looking at currently: Awoken Archdemon Lucifer (Lead) Awoken Loki Chaotic Flying General Lu Bu One-Eye Hell Phantom Demon, Zuoh Esctatic Daemon, Aamir I also have Mitsuhide as a potential sub. When Awoken Vritra arrives in Global, I am considering replacing Zuoh with Vritra. Thoughts? With Zuoh (10 Rows) With Vritra (11 Rows) 0 Zolesms#91794 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) Speaking as someone who mains AA Lucifer I think you should focus more on orb changers, 10 rows is plenty and you don't end up needing a spike that often. Mitsuhide is amazing with zuoh or haku. I would keep A Loki over Lu Bu. 0 By Curtis#41850 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) Does anyone care to explain how the multiplier works with the God Killer awoken skill? I'm not sure I'm doing my math correctly. With dual Awoken Archdemon Lucifers against a God, assuming I activate their leader skills and before row enhances, pluses, etc do they really have a combined multiplier of around 147x? 1.35*3*3 squared? If I'm way off, I obviously don't understand how the multipliers work so please point me in the right direction. 1 ekobian#18477 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) @Curtis Dual awoken leads don't get 147x! God killer only applies to the team member with it, even if they are lead. So each Luci gets a "personal" 3x multiplier on top of the ~4x multiplier all on their team should be getting. Calculating their total damage, excluding subs, would be ((Luc. 1 atk + Luc. 2 atk)x1.35x3x3. Which is still pretty fantastic! I used to always be VERY happy I wasn't ever trolled with an Archdemon Luci. How the times have changed! 0 By Moonknee#45394 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) Is it worth having two? I have one that I (rarely) use as a lead and just pulled another one. 0 By mel#72706 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) Do I have to connect exactly 6 orbs? What happens if I turn the whole board dark? I'm trying to decide if I want to ult evo. Thanks! 0 Funkln#60459 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) totally fine if the whole board is dark. leader skill will trigger when at least 6 dark orbs are matched. 0 By drew9348#92455 5 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) So this is what happens when you combine with God and Satan? 0 By bug#51321 4 years ago ( 9.6.3 ) I have both this card and Awoken Vritra. I main Vritra, buti seem to be getting the impression from ppl that A. Lucifer is a better main. Why? Vritra gives 6x attack and 2x hp with dark-fire combo vs Lucifer who gives 4.5x attack and 1.35 HP & RCV I understand Lucifer is for dark rows, but cant Vritra main also be used for dark Rows as a burst, and has added significant bonus to HP and Attack? The RCV isnt that good, but between 124k health and RCV awoken badge, its not abysmal as long as gravity doesnt hit 0 By Dragonborn#93844 4 years ago ( 11.1.1 ) Any estimations on how long it takes GungHo to reincarnate Lucifer now that there are other awoken devils and already a reincarnated Astaroth? He was one of the first awoken forms and has waited long enough on a reincarnation. #Reincarnatelucifer 1 Pikagami#27084 4 years ago ( 12.0.3 ) The ETAs for Revos drawn by Shinnosuke Hino (the artist who drew AA Lucifer, FA Lucifer, Cao Cao, Lu Bu, Isis, Karin, Ares, I&I, Thor, Okuninishi, Vishnu, Acubens, Nephthys) are unknown I'm afraid… Characters drawn by this artist have had their Awoken and Reincarnated Evos delayed a lot longer than others in their respective pantheons. The general consensus is that these delays stem from his increased work load as he also does art for that Fire Emblem mobile game and something called Granadia Saga. In the past few months, however, Isis, Karin, Ares, I&I, and Thor finally got their Revos, so at least Shinnosuke Hino is gradually putting out more P&D art. Last edited by Pikagami 4 years ago ( 12.0.3 ) -1 By Greg!#39904 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) HE'S HERE GADIES AND LENTLEMEN!! 0 Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Just waiting for Piis to hypermax :-) So glad I finally have him, now I can start farming Arena :-) -1 By Taters#73929 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) "Oh the evo materials can't be much worse than the Lucifer that's out now, I'll wait till release to see what he needs" ...why did I question the materials... 8 Jathra#74795 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I'm confused, whats hard/bad about the evo mats? This is quite easy compared to other Awoken cards really. -1 By JacWhisper#39371 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Great card, but really friggin annoying that I worked Luci down to max 5 turn cooldown for orb enhance, and this guy doesn't even enhance. Looks like I'm not Awaking this guy. =( 2 Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) You can always use Goetia (Quick orb creator+enhance) or Hadar for the enhance. Don't forget that his awoken form gives you an extra row (2 extra rows with double leads), so who needs the enhance with a 16X lead that has about 10-13 rows in his team and also has tanking possibilities (1,8X HP and RCV). Lucifer team will generally have about 30k HP (no +eggs) and huge RCV (1800 from just your two A. Lucifers) to pair well with this. When hypermaxed, these team run +40K hp, 6k-8k RCV. Without any enhanced orbs, matching 1 row will give you a 61.6 x dark attack when having 12 rows in your team. This is without the multiplier of #combo's. Sounds pretty OP to me :-) Last edited by Cornykova 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Vaedriel#74848 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) The moment I pulled Akechi I dropped HSA Luci from my team since not only are Akechi's Stats better he basically has the same awakenings and a better AS in that he converts Red to Dark and changes Blue to heal then enhances all Dark. If you use him with Haku all you need is a vamp to change heart to dark for full board. If you use him with Sonia You instantly have a full enhanced dark board. The damage output with Akecki on the team is much better than Lucifer. Once this Awoken Evo comes out however, Lucifer's value jumps up significantly as a leader not as a sub. I don't really care about the light based nuke, because when you have your team maxed out and +egged, 150k dmg doesn't really make a difference anymore when your team can easily deal out 1-2m just with combos and TPA. -1 By Soulfx#83443 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Great leader for dark good/demons, and i think that he have a good synergy with Pandora and other characters that increase dark orb rate. -2 By Greg!#39904 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Look at this guy, he's crazy! He could arguably be better than D.Meta, with a few pros and cons. PROS OVER D.META: • Has a RCV buff, where as D.Meta doesn't. This makes his teams stall much better than D.Meta teams. • This guy only needs six Rows to proc, whereas D.Meta needs to reach an HP threshold • Higher RCV - This further boosts the team's RCV, even after the nice buff • Triple Rows • God Killer - does significantly more damage to Gods, and makes up for his somewhat low ATK • An Active that does nice damage, and makes Dark Orbs - arguably better than D.Meta's Skill, though hers can be lifesaving at some point. CONS OVER D.META: • Limited Sub pool: D.Meta affects ALL Dark units, whereas Lucifer needs Gods and Devils only • Limited to running rows. Though this isn't really a major setback, it can be quite limiting. I currently run TPA-based D.Meta teams, and it wrecks! Lucifer's 6-orb proc prevents running these, but there's really no big downside to that. • Lower HP, much lower ATK • Can still get Bound 1 Nah dude, whenever I make a new post (and sometimes, comment on an existing post), it brings me to this "ERROR 404" type kind of page. Every time I click "Add Comment", whether the E-mail checkbox is ticked or not, I have to go to that ERROR page, click "Back", then refresh. Then my comment gets posted, still without notifications. I should bring this up with @admin. 1 Cornykova#60567 5 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I dare to contest your comparison to DMeta. You say his HP and ATK are lower, which is absolutely true, but this is negligible when looking at the teams they're running. They both have a x1.35 on HP and ATK, but A. Lucifer adds the same multiplier to RCV. This would be useless on a DMeta team, but it adds a major advantage for a A. Lucifer team, where all of the subs already have good - great RCV (Pandora, Summer Claire, A. Lucifer himself, Sleeping Beauty, A. Loki, D/W Batman, Persephone ...). DMeta's biggest flaw is the fact that she can't get hit too hard. Her AS helps her out (every 4 turns with 2 leads), but isn't always up when you need it. It's true that DMeta has a bigger subpool, but those extra subs are mostly attackers. besides, I don't consider A. Lucifer flawed in this section, since he affects 2 types, who tend to have the strongest monsters in the game (God & Devil). On top of this, by the time a player can get A. Lucifer, I doubt he/she has much trouble filling in the sub spots. 3 jewels, Ult Zeus and Ult Satan aren't exactly easy materials (Scarlet and Zaerog Infinity are worse, I know^^), so the chance of having dark gods/devils by then is rather big. Even when having the worst of luck with the REM, you can still fill his team with Vamp, Chaos Devil Dragon, Drawn Joker, Cerberus, Aamir, Toth ... Not the ideal team, but farmable none the less and still having at least 6 row enhances. Sounds fair to me. It's true he can get bound, but DMeta can't clear any binds. This makes her unbindable status a little less useful. A. Lucifer can easily be helped out with a bind clearer (as you already stated). I find the cons of A. Lucifer very little to none, and would consider running him over DMeta any time. He has a similar damage output (except when you keep DMeta under 50%) and HP, but a higher survival rate due to the high RCV team + RCV boost. They both need REM-heavy teams to be at their best, so the sub-pool is evenly difficult to obtain. 1 I'd go for the sustainability any time. In the high tier dungeons, every floor will hit you pretty hard. I find it easier to activate Pandora's 3x then to keep my HP under 80% without dying with DMeta. And the Spike of DMeta's 5x when below 50%, is not taking into account that Awoken Lucifer has at least 2 row enhances extra on his team. DMeta's Spike I'd still higher, but the difference gets smaller. And then there is the god killer awakening ... Against Gods, both leaders will do 48x damage without a burst active, row/combo/enhanced orbs multipliers. 0 Sleeping beauty can also cover bind if you managed to get her, since all the fairy tale princesses are unbindable now 0 I dunno about that. I'd say the two are about on par. One major flaw that Lucifer has is that you need at least 6 orbs to activate, so unless you're popping actives every turn or you get lucky with the orb spawns, you will be caught in instances when you don't have enough dark orbs and you don't have actives up. Not to mention DMeta can spike for a considerablely larger amount of damage. I'd say comparing the two are like comparing Awoken Yomi and Yomi Dragon. One has more burst, the other is more sustainable. It all really just depends on your playstyle 0 Greg!#39904 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) (Replying so I can get e-mail notifications. There's been a bug that's not letting me receive them) As for Awoken Lucifer teams, with my current Monster Box, I'm thinking... • Awoken Lucifer • Summer Pandora • D/W Persephone / Pandora • Lu Bu • D.Meta / Pandora I refuse to devolve and then evolve Haku to her D/D form again, but she would've been perfect here. I also wish I had Awoken Loki, but Lu Bu will do just fine. Akechi Mitsuhide would've also been perfect with his Orb and Heart making and Orb Enhance! Lu Bu's 0 RCV can be mitigated due to the MAD RCV of everyone else in the team, even before the buff! As for HP, no one here has significant HP, but the buff fixes this. There's a total of 14 Rows, with decent amounts of HP, and very nice RCV. WEAKNESSES (and solutions) • Leaders exposed to Binds. Aamir can fix this, at the expense of missing two Rows. If you were blessed with Halloween Alraune, that would be much better • Skill-Binds: Awoken Loki does the trick. Or just replace Persephone with one more Pandora. • Poison and Jammers: D/D Haku FTW. If not, Zuoh can do just fine. Last resort would be D.Kali, but she probably won't be making 6 Dark Orbs for you to proc; you'll probably need Pandora after using Kali. Still a nice sub, though! 0 I wasn't getting the notifications either, so I checked and it turned out I was actually getting them, but they automatically were flagged as spam for no reason. Not sure I'd you have the same problem, but that's just my experience. 0 I have similar posting 404 nonsense pretty much all the time. 0 That happened to me sometimes, too. It might be for the whole site. 0 Jacky@PG#9485 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Your standards are too high if you think 1.6k is somewhat low attack.... 0 Hmm maybe 'subpar' is the right word? I mean, it's nothing spectacular. His strength is his crazy RCV, and not his ATK. 0 I love that you two are having a constructive discussion about who is a better lead. Great points from both of you. So thank you both. One thing I'd like to say is D. Meta is strong, but that isn't always the best argument to go with especially these days with all the diversity of these dungeons. Strength is super important, yes. But a little less power + survivability has proved to be a more reliable approach. Just my two cents ;) 0 Dmeta teams have damage reductions though, which actual makes it easier for DMeta teams to tank things than it is for Lucifer teams. Plus, even though 16.4x with the godkiller awakenings is pretty strong, it's not really gonna be able to one shot a lot of things without using a bunch of actives. For example, Arena has tons and tons of monsters with high amounts of hp, and in a lot of cases, 16.4x just isnt gonna cut it, which means you might end up using a lot more actives than you would like. And for really experienced players (not talking about myself of course), it's quite easy to obliterate monsters and manage the team's hp at the same time. I've seen a lot of videos of Dmeta teams taking down Arena, and in the hands of a skilled player, the cons of Dmeta become less significant. Just my opinion though 0 I believe A. Lucifer can take on Ult Arena. I've seen a double Blonia team do it (4 blonia's, blodin and Awoken I&I), so I doubt Luci wouldn't be able to pull it off. You don't always have to pop an active, since you can stall and clear unwanted orbs. My A. Luci team (when he arrives in Europe), will have 31000 hp and 5000 rcv without plusses. When maxed, the team has 42510 hp and 8400 RCV. With the tons of row enhances, his damage output will be far higher then the actual 16.4x (withouth Godkiller awakening, of course).Both Luci will have a 49.2x multiplier before combo count, orb count, enhanced orbs and row enhance when fighting gods DMeta teams will have similar hp I guess, maybe slightly higher (my team will have Dvalk en Sleeping beauty, who have lowish hp) and lower rcv (of course ^^). The thing is that to maximize DMeta damage, you'll also need dark orbs, preferably 6 (Row Enhances on DMeta), unless you go for a TPA team, but that will give a slightly lower damage output. You sacrifice 2 possible orb changers for damage reduction, which limits your options. I have to admit, I'm used to playing simple leader skills (Lmeta, Athena, Summer Valk, Urd). I've recently started focussing on more complex LS (Mei Mei, Osiris) and I've just evo'd my Bastet to Awoken form. I do have a DMeta, but I'm still afraid of using it, mainly because I don't have any strong leveled/skilled subs for her. My team for Awoken Luci, on the other hand, is all max level/awakened and some have max skill too. I'm very curious what Awoken Lucifer will bring, but I'll sure be trying to play DMeta (Max skilled her with the latest Metalit dungeon^^) -2 By Da Crunk#89896 5 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) Here's what I think would be the best team for high level use of Awoken luci: A. Luficer Aamir (or any bind clear sub) Chibi Sonia Akechi A. Loki A. Lucifer Gives 12 rows, full skill bind resist, and a lot of HP and recovery, as Aamir and both A. Luci's have a lot of RCV. 0 kyamamoto#84681 5 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) Zuoh is probably better than mini sonia as a sub And instead of Aamir, Dmeta with a Bind Clear Skill Inheritance is probably better -2 By Limboaz#88108 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) I am scratching my head wondering why this guy is rated so high. 3X attack is pretty lame when I can get 5x out of my Panda, or 4x out of my A. Panda plus a stat buff. The God killer is nice, however there are many types of bosses . 0 Mr-ex777#91897 5 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) He has nice bulk and awoken skills, and can get past most steel walls by itself. -3 By Flex!#77628 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Hades and Zeus are pretty easy materials to get, but have fun getting those seven Devilits. Last edited by Flex! 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Sanspai@PF#38562 6 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) That's Satan tho, and if you desperately need some mats there's always the mp shop |
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Firstly: What do you think will be the theme of reincarnated lucifer when we get him? I know eventually we will, especially since they've started awakening the other demons and angels.
Secondly: Are there any other reincarnations that have Killers? I don't recall any off the top of my head, and actually have a fair few... If not, do you think they will trade it for another awakening when he gets a revo, or will he become the first with one?
His angel form doesn't have a devil killer either, so any thoughts?