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8 By josh#36953 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) Guys: Since Pandora can now system, there's a perfect name for her system team. PANDA EXPRESS. 3 By Greg!#39904 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) YOU ARE ALREADY HERE?!!? PROPS TO GUNGHO NA! <3 <3 <3 0 Pinkie_Pie#77726 3 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) But where the heck did Aamir go? Also the first time I saw this I thought it was related to Halloween due to the colour. 2 By Metrinome#80316 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) I think the controversy over her as a good lead or not has pretty much blown over, as much of my friend list has seemingly converted over to her. 1 By nathan@N17#37737 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I also don't like that she has a higher cooldown. Everything else gets lower cooldown with all the cool gadgets yet she gets pushed back one 1 By grace#50923 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) i don't get it. i'm pretty sure Pandora is quite strong. 1.25x4 - 5x so she becomes a new 25x lead with tank and recovery. She's now on par with halloween kali! (Minus the boost to god types) plus on top of that she has rows for miles. I think her weakest point would be maybe not enough subs with the rows to beef her out, but maybe in time that will be fixed. So far it's fallen lucifer, valkyrie claire, and mabye the japanese god, hanzo, and... hm.....persephone is out cause she's a healer/god... I think the comment about her becoming a god devil instead of physical (or even a healer!) makes sense since not all dark row users are devil types.. but who knows? though lately with jammer leaders.. i'm worried the direction Gungho is taking us. 8 chrysoth#61443 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) She's miles and miles ahead of Halloween Kali. She can run with only one color (big damage advantage) and she gets way more damage from awakenings (another big damage advantage). 0 keoten#56745 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I'm using Pandora, Dark Valk, Akechi (that Japanese god), D/D Haku, Zuoh. All devil types, 13 dark rows 0 Meowmerz#75429 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Loki, Akechi, Grisar, and Lu Bu can each bring 2 rows. Crossing my fingers for Awoken Vritra as well. 0 Riven#82248 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 2189 is a good option. He gives you a free row with his skill, a charge to everyone else's skill and adds 2 rows himself. -Edit- Nevermind he's not a devil. Would have been great though. Last edited by Riven 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 I just used her with A. Loki, A. Haku, Ronia, and A. Yomi to clear Mythical Aegir Loki sets up buff, activates Haku with his skill cd reduce Haku's active reduces skill cd, gets Ronia's active ready Ronia creates board of dark and red Yomi shines the board up nice Make two rows, one with 8 connected dark (easier on a 6x7 board) Match one or two lucky skyfall off color orbs total damage = over 54 million If you can get enough subs with max active skills that create dark orbs, Pandora can be as reliable as she is powerful. Oh what? Her active also reduces skill cd, creates hearts, AND she clears binds too? I'm surprised she doesn't score anything higher than 9 Edit: Only A. Yomi was max +egged, the rest had no less than in the teens Last edited by Pen1sarms 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 1 By Guggerbunk#54957 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Awoken Pandora: 1.5625 / 25 / 1.5625 Awoken Lucifer: 1.8225 / 16.4025 / 1.8225 Pandora has less HP and RCV in exchange for considerably more attack, but at the same time has a narrow LS bonus of only devils compared to Luci's gods and devils. The biggest problem this creates is that Pandora only has access to Halloween Alraune or Aamir for bindproof bind removal, whereas Luci has Yomi Dragon. Luci can also run Eschamali though for those that can pull her, and she is better at fixing boards than Haku ever could be. Lastly, Pandora needs to run a spike because she lacks God Killer for Arena runs, whereas Lucifer can sometimes get away without taking up a slot with Awoken Loki, but that can be a matter of preference for him. Awoken Pandora / Akechi Mitsuhide / DD Haku / Aamir / Awoken Loki / Awoken Pandora (Hypermax) HP: 41453 RCV: 5614 Awoken Archdemon Lucifer / Yomi Dragon / Eschamali / Eschamali / Awoken Loki / Awoken Archdemon Lucifer (Hypermax) HP: 49708 RCV: 7395 I mean, other than the bind removal issue they are pretty close to each other. 6 hades252#73245 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) That's not true. Everyone always forgets that sleeping beauty is now unbindable. She is an unbindable unbinding devil type that creates heart orbs. Granted, she's no Yomi Dragon, but unlike Yomi Dragon her active skill unbinds and can be used every 6 turns. You don't require six hearts for her to clear binds. Her making them is just bonus. She also still has an orb enhance and sbr. If they ever give the fairy tale princesses uevos she could get some decent weighted stats. Again, Thorn Princess, Sleeping Beauty is no Yomi Dragon, but, not a lot is. She however wipes the floor with Aamir, she has comparable weighted stats, but superior awakenings, and while she doesn't heal 4k, she gives hearts and her active is up more frequently. Additionally, while Pandora can't take advantage of Eschamali, she still has an orb change option that clears poison and jammer orbs in Awoken Anubis. Though it's lacking in the ability to also change heart orbs it can be used faster. Last edited by hades252 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Cornykova#60567 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Don't forget that you need 8 aligned orbs for the max multiplier of Pandora, which limits your possibilities for other rows. They are indeed very close, that's also why a lot of people are not really excited about Panda. Luci and Panda run mostly exact the same teams, but Luci does it a little more consistent and has a higher sub pool. Pandora brings nothing new to the field as a leader and everyone notices this because Luci is only recently released. If this wasn't the case, less people would be complaining about Awoken Panda :-) 0 "Everyone always forgets that sleeping beauty is now unbindable." Actually I think everyone remembers that quite well. If anyone forgot something here it's Gungho, they forgot to make her skill material available in NA. Sure, you can use piis, but really, 5 piis? ;_; 1 By foxwaffles#54418 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) She's not bad, she's quite good. But she's very, VERY uninspired and uncreative.... There's a difference. I think she's very good and strong. But I don't like how GH chose to treat this Awoken. That is what happens when a card receives an Awoken before it's due when its name is not Sakuya. Only with Sakuya did GH bend to listen to the whining ramparts of Japan... 0 Taosym#66261 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Why even have Ult polls then, what's the point? Every time it happens we get underwhelming and under-powered ults in relation to the current meta. It happened with Sakuya, Verdandi and now Pandora. It feels like Gungho is just spiteful. 0 It is more likely that GungHo recognizes that the most popular cards voted in the polls are already strong, so their upgrade is toned down to keep them from becoming too powerful. However, that does mean when the other cards catch up with their own uevo or awoken form, the power creep has moved past the once powerful and popular cards. Sakuya is practically a rule all to herself. She got voted on twice, and the first upgrade was lackluster too (Green Star/giraffe Sakuya), so players pushed her up on the next poll and got her an Awoken form that's almost too powerful given she's not a very rare GFE. That 2nd upgrade was made exceptional strong to placate all those fans that were angry about the first upgrade, I think. 1 By 5^2#74585 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I think she has the highest multiplier of all row leader(Along with Shivadra, but with much better active). Not to mention her consistency from hp and rcv boost Last edited by 5^2 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 By baggi#52317 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Really disapointed in Gungho with the current awoken evolutions they churn out lately. I miss back when an Awoken evolution actually meant that the card would be something special. Greco gods made the idea of resist teams plausible with added attack multipliers, Indian gods brought in whole new game play types into the game at large, and created new options for endgame content. But current Awoken monsters are just the same as their regular ults, except maybe 5x attack instead of 4x, and 1 turn haste to their actives. Just look at pandora, they've made awoken pandora so lackluster that there is essentially no reason to uevo a max skilled pandora into an awoken form (with an off type sub color and a mediocre change to awoken skills) while there is a super ult form that lets you keep your skillups, and has just as good additional awakenings, god typing, and a sub attribute that matters. It feels like Gungho no longer is trying to make awoken monsters something special, and is just giving cards slight stat boosts and 1 turn haste, and shipping them out to the masses. Side note: I always wondered what they would do with awoken hero gods, because all awoken forms in the past have a different sub attribute then their normal uevos, but with the hero gods, any other sub attribute other then their main is just a waste of damage. So i guess hero gods were just screwed from the start as far as having viable awoken variants. Edit: Why not replace one of those rows with multi boost, or god killer, or something to make her stand apart from her super ult version? Last edited by baggi 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 Metrinome#80316 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Awoken Pandora plays very similarly to her other evos, but she is extremely strong. She has the damage output combined with fairly tanky hp and rcv. Add to this time extends and built-in bind clear, and you have a very resilient team. The fact that her LS scales from 4-orbs also means you don't need as many orbs to finish off weaker floors. Also if you're into tier lists, the JP tier list has her ranked S, which is alongside Shivadra, Nepdra, and FA Lucifer. 0 Jarfield#44505 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Dear Goof, she's better, and she'll get killer buffs down the road. 0 Ea#30342 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) If you really look at the previous ultimates compared to Awoken ultimates, you'll see that most don't change the monster's playstyle dramatically at all. China girls got resists and haste but retain the same playstyle, greek gods retain their resists and add some damage and new actives, egyptian gods get built-in time extend and attack buffs but retain their combo/color match mechanics, etc. The most dramatic changes were Yomi and Amaterasu which make them more viable leaders 0 otaku#27310 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) I think you mean the Roman gods use resists, the Greek gods have double orb change with low HP and ATK multipliers. -1 Cornykova#60567 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Pandora's Awoken form is the result of a Japanese survey. Therefore, she doesn't bring anything new to the Pandora evolution tree. 0 By nathan@N17#37737 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Well that's unfortunate. Pandora will now be the new sakuya. Voted in and 13 evolutions pushed down our throats because they effed this up 5 Greg!#39904 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) P&D 2019 Now introducing... Pandora Super Super Super Super Super Awoken Ultimate! New active: Same orb change but with 20 haste. (40 cd max) LS: Boost all type stats by 1.28x. Up to 20x ATK when matching 30 connected Dark orbs. 0 By Raynare@PG#20396 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) As much as I love her art, there's no way I'm going back to not max-skilled. Took way too much time to do that. 0 By Tommy#84145 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) (Before reading this please note that i am probably a bit biest just because I don't have any good devil leads.) With full understanding of why people dislike this card, I just wanted to point out a few things. Many Awoken forms are getting large buffs, i.e.. Awoken Sakuya, Awoken Ra, etc, this card however does not get a huge buff. I believe the reason for this is because it also boosts HP which of course, is an improvement. This card will be a stable devil lead because of the fact that it synergies with its active and it has a burst that is very stable, similar to Typon. This makes the card have the ability for stalling and when appropriate a huge burst.I also believe the reason that this awoken card does not get a major buff like Saluya is because the evo materials are not that hard to obtain. To get Fagan you do have to go through a pretty hard dungeon, however for this card, not so much. Please feel free to share your thoughts on this awoken card. 0 By mike#66529 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) To be honest after you awaken the pandora, noting much will really happened.. meh 0 By aszma#31409 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Guess im reverting both my awoken hakus to the original D/D form twas fun while it lasted awoken haku 0 By Illucio#73015 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Sold my dupe pandora (regretting it.) But I guess my A. Pandora team will be: A. Pandora, A. Loki (Or I could use Lu Bu), Akechi, Akechi, Akechi. If I need shield I guess I'll swap an akechi out for D. Meta Last edited by Illucio 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 By Im-A-God#76596 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Quick Question: If I have the latent tamadras on her but I reverse her current ult to the the awoken form, do they stay on her? 0 Tempestate#41801 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Yes, latents stay on monsters when you evolve/reverse evolve them. 0 By (°~°)@PG#73406 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Well, comparison time, put the same in the super ult: Awoken Pandora generally is a better lead. Same multiplier with less orbs, granted you use devils, and is overall more versatile. However, awoken Pandora has zero synergy with TPA teams, such as Durga, and awoken Pandora has adopted the lower side RCV characteristic to physical types. On the bright side, she does carry more HP, and useful if you need to take hits + Good leader, row synergy sub, haste, higher HP - lower RCV, no TPA synergy Super ult pandora outclasses the awoken as a sub in most cases. She carries double time extends, which is useful anywhere. She has a TPA, which may seem random, but with the TPA she can get along better with Durga, Typhon, awoken haku, etc. However, she has less HP than the awoken, which is a problem if running a team like Durga, which tends to have HP on the lower side. However, she has great RCV, along with healer type, meaning she can support awoken lucifer teams in that regard, so he has more RCV to stall +Good RCV, versatile in team synergy, time extends - lackluster lead compared to awoken, lower HP I personally run row teams and lead with Pandora, so I would go with the awoken form. Durga users or awoken luci users might think differently, but both are great evolutions 0 By Jun#79921 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I need this one on my awoken haku team because of the fire secondary type, but the ultimate ulitimate has a higher stat and easier skill up. The struggle... 0 By drgnwzrd#30794 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I've been farming Keeper of Gold today with this bad girl. Team: Apanda, older panda, Vampire, A.Yomi, Lubu, Apanda. I wait for the dark absorb to pass then fire off a panda, then vamp, then a.yomi, then lubu. Depending on how many red/blue are left, the last screen shot I got had a board like this: DDDDDD DDDDDD RRRRDD DDBBBB DDDDDD From that I got the following damage output: APanda: 6,969,950 Dark (1+ on atk and only 4 awoken, so still 2 rows to go) #1736 Panda: 8,807,826 Dark (+99 atk) Vampire: 331,325 Blue A.Yomi: 7,252,700 Dark Lubu: 10,334,676 Dark. Friend A.Panda: 7,158,450 Total: 40,854,927 damage from primary color alone. This team has 36,477 health and absolutely wrecks the enemy and I'm not even full powered yet. I'll edit this list to include the dungeons I've tackled with my new Panda: Noah Descended Hera-Beorc Metalit Farming Xuanzang Thursday Dungeon Water & Light Dog dragons Zeus & Hera Zeus Dios Tuesday Keeper of Gold Hel Descended Zeus Normal Dungeon Jord Descended Heimdallr - got my A.Loki. :) True Endless Corridors: APanda, Panda, Haku, Akechi, Vamp, Apanda (piece of cake) Aegir Zhang Fei w/ Beez, Loki, AYomi, Vamp team. Cake. Deus ex Machina Descended! - Very hard. A.panda, dd panda, a.neptune,beelz,vamp,a.panda friend (thanks Ameto!) Hephaestus Endless Corridors - Awoken Skills Invalid Evo Monster Infestation - Beautiful Evolution All the 50 Stamina Decended challenges. Several of these were first time clears and I finally got my stone. This girl is a straight up killer card. Haters gonna hate. Last edited by drgnwzrd 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 XCWarior#37901 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) To activate Yomi's leader skill, wouldn't you have wanted just 5 darks matched up? I was planning to lead with A. Yomi and sub with A. Pandora. You make Pandora more appealing, but how its leader skill works doesn't make sense, or did you mean your friend was also A. Pandora, and not A. Yomi? 0 Yes, sorry that was a typo, I've been using mostly A.Panda friends and occasionally the older ult evo panda when I run out. The only real noticeable difference between the A.Panda friend and older panda friends is about 5k HP. A.Panda/A.Panda has about 36k HP, where A.Panda/UltPanda has about 28k or so. Big difference if you need more HP. I find A.Panda easier to activate a big multiple due to maybe just experience. I haven't used A.Yomi as a lead much. I know people like her, but I have about 2x the panda friends, split about 50/50 old, new evo. I have one ready to put to the #2661 panda as well, when she's in North America. She'll pack a bigger attack with the 5x and I'll keep her max skill too. 0 Yeah, Awoken Pandora seems to be very strong against current meta. There have been very few dungeons I haven't been able to beat (0-stone) ever since Awoken Pandora arrived, and they're all Mythical Plus coop dungeons on solo mode. BTW is the ID in your profile correct? I tried to add you but it returned a rank 1 unused account. 0 By jessica#82386 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Question: I have never had a chance to Awaken any of my monsters that require other monsters to evolve before now... do they have to be maxed out at 99 before you can feed them to the primary character? 0 ♡Ameto♡#63221 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Nope, the monster you're evolving and the materials could be any level you'd like. 0 By Prospero#55900 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) So much controversy over such a incredibly powerful leader. At first I was hesitant to switch her to this. Mainly because I thought her super ult was more versatile. Was I ever wrong. This version of pandora along with a team that consists of, hanzo, d/d haku, summer valk Claire, and a wild card With a friends 297 A.Pandora. (I used lu bu as a wildcard, just to see what an average spike from her would be) total + for team is under 500. I have been unstoppable. She spikes for 30+ mil consistently and very effortlessly. The ablility to make dark orbs for days, 13 rows, 80% sb res, 8 sb, 4 tpa, Bind clearing capability, even some shades from hanzo so you can look cool while using this wrecking ball of a team. Her sub pool is basically unlimited. Throw a Halloween alrune for 100% sb res and bind clearer, maybe a Nephtys for orb enhance and smaller spike, Dmeta for dmg reducer and OE, need a delay...send up the batsignal.What ever utility you could need she has a sub for. I could keep going but I think you get the idea. I don't understand how anyone can say this card is underwhelming. She is phenomenal. Sure her team is REM heavy but if your making awoken status cards I highly doubt finding appropriate subs is a problem, especially given her enormous sub pool. Let this girl shine people. She deserves every bit of our appreciation. I would even go as far to say she is a game breaker unless someone can show me a dungeon she cannot stomp her way through. If you have a Pandora ( or two or three ;) ) I strongly urge making this version. If they come out with something better later on so be it. I would like to see how they make this card better though. Only a person who does not possess this card would undervalue it or claim it to be underwhelming. She is top tier REM material. Her art is excellent. Easily give her a 10/10. I see no downside at all to this card. If there is one, please be my guest and show. Last edited by Prospero 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 Metrinome#80316 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I think a lot of people were upset not because she's a bad monster (she's a GREAT monster), but because she was just an upgrade over her previous versions. Essentially same active, but with haste. Same leader skill, but with hp/atk/rcv boosts. And just an extra row enhance for awakenings. Of course those extra little things add up to a huge difference, but it wasn't a drastic change like Yomi. I think some people have come to expect big changes out of awoken forms for some reason. EDIT: I forgot to mention one important thing. Pandora got an awoken as a result of a JP vote. Traditionally, monsters that have been voted for by JP players during Gunghos surveys have received lackluster evos as a result, or their evos are quickly powercreeped by following releases. This has causes players to automatically associate voted evolutions with negative results. Last edited by Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 Well its been a month of running pandora. For all those "nay sayers" I have a few words to describe what it has been like using her on a team with Summer Claire, hanzo, d/d haku, lu bu. I'll keep it short. Unstoppable damage OHKO everything Unstoppable sub pool 6-37 million damage output ready on turn 1 and always up. Game breaker She is the BEST all round leader out there with unlimited utility sub pool. Completely destroys everything with very little effort needed. Only valid complaint is that she makes current pad content way too easy. Those who have her know what I'm talking about. Those who don't have her, well.........keep telling yourself she's not that good and run your luci or whatever. I'll keep ripping through challenge dungeons and descends in as many turns as there are floors while you try and figure out how to generate 37 mil damage on demand. Now to figure out what I'm going to do with the 460 other REM cards in my box.... 0 I've had her for a while too and I prefer running her team over Yomidra's because it's not as easy to unleash stupid amounts of damage with the latter. Pandora's damage is scaleable too so damage shields and resolves aren't a big issue anymore. As a matter of fact, Yomidra has dropped below A.Panda on JP tier list recently, which I never thought would happen. 0 Yeah she's just awesome. I was getting close to yard sale status with the intention of picking up the set of MP dragons. This card changed that and motivated me to hang on and wait for NA to catch up with JP in terms of awoken, super ult, collab releases. Now I still contemplate yomigon, but just can't pull the trigger on having a cookie cutter set of teams lead by the outstanding MP dragon series. GH keeps improving the REM cards so it won't surprise me in the least if the MP dragons become equal in comparison to the PREMIUM REM cards. At least until they get ultimate and awoken forms. When that happens, and the MP dragons are unquestionably the best in game, Pandora will have to be put on the shelf with the rest of the cards that fall into the category of "A lead that I used to know". 0 By Ink#78562 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) I'd say this is best i can come up with for pandora off the top of my head. The one or ones who are capitalized are the ideal choices, the others are substitutes. Awoken Pandora SUPER ULT PANDORA/Grisar/Dark Valk/SUMMER VALK/Satsuki(not a devil)--------------- (An orbchanger that brings either optimum awakenings, or a great active skill. Ideally. I'd go with summer valk, but grisar is great for a farmable option. Satsuki has a great orbchange but she isn't a devil. She brings haste though.) Mitsuhide---------------------(The most vital member of the entire team. His enhance generates a lot more damage than without, just because you are forced to match 8 orbs so, taking advantage of it is a very good idea. He makes a pandora team good, or at least that's what i think.) ZUOH/Haku-----------------(Shame, Pandora doesn't have a sub like eschamali to fix boards. The two good options though are devil haku, or ult zuoh. Ult zuoh is better for higher weighted stats and a time extend. Dragon Kiler is icing on top.) Z8/LOKI-------------------(Utility, or wild card, I'd go for z8 just because Pandora is an extremely orb hungry leader. Loki is necessary for ultimate arena 2 though...) Awoken Pandora Right now, I have a team that's mostly finished- Awoken Pandora, Zuoh, mitsuhide, z8, satsuki(I'd really want to replace her, either with summer valk, or super ult pandora.), awoken pandora. This team's stats and awakenings are in the following(Hypered) :- (With loki and super ult pandora) HP-45, 117 RCV-5414 (with loki and summer valk) HP-44, 039 RCV-5409 (with z8 and super ult pandora) HP-45, 456 RCV-5457 (with z8 and summer valk) HP-44, 378 RCV-5453 Stats are pretty similar. Awakenings-wise, I'll only be talking about the difference of z8 and loki with z8- 12 Rows 3 enhances(dark) 9-10 S+ 100% Sx resist 4-6 TE with Loki- 14 Rows 0 enhances 8-9 S+ 100% Sx resist 3-5 TE End of the day, 'which active fits the dungeon more?' is the deciding factor which one goes on to the squad. I think Summer Valk is in the MP shop during PAD Island. How much MP is she? I really need to know. tl;dr Pandora is OP. But, I bet you guys already know that. I don't think you need latents for the team for Ultimate Arena 2. I'd love feedback. Thanks in advance and have fun! 0 By Kirito#46338 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) For anyone not sure about doing this evo, I suggest you think hard about whether you really have the right subs for her. I made the switch thinking awoken forms are usually way better and man have I been disappointed! If you don't have a team full of great dark DEVIL orb changers I would go with her super ultimate version instead. I wish her extra multiplier worked with all dark monsters, not only devil types. 0 By ~Instinct~#88757 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) I'm really surprised that GungHo hasn't added a God type for her... How come her other path gets God? Why is this a 7 star while the other is an 8 star? 0 Ea#30342 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) She wouldn't benefit from a god typing much, as her leader skill focuses on devils. The other being god type makes up for that, wouldn't you think? The other is also an ultimate of an ultimate, raising it to 8-star status while this one is an awoken ultimate. This is typical of Awoken-ultimate monsters 0 By 探偵#65561 3 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) Really awesome leader. Don't know why A. Luci is rated higher. Beat Myr mythical with her when couldn't clear legend with Luci, and that speaks volumes to me. 0 By Badger#96548 3 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) Hey, I need some help. I have Krishna as my lead and Pandora in the team which I plan to evolve into the dark fire combination but my team is nowhere powerful enough to actually complete the dungeon. What am I supposed to do? I have no way of making my team stronger until I'm able to get Surter and aamir. 0 By Atombomb19#97480 2 years ago ( 9.5.1 ) What do you think of using Ronia as a sub for her? I have three, so my team, not including my last sub, has 9 dark rows and 3 fire rows, and Ronia's active is basically guaranteed to maximize damage with just fire and dark damage. 0 Atombomb19#97480 2 years ago ( 9.5.1 ) Also, is anyone else praying that they will make a Reincarnated Pandora? (Not that we need her, but let's be honest here, we all want her. 0 I'm sure they will eventually. My hope is that it is soon, and that they make her LS on par with Meridionalis. Seems a natural progression for her. -1 By Greg!#39904 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Releasing her FIRST even before Andromeda kinda ensures that they most probably won't be buffing her anymore. Is this like a mighty slap to the faces of the JP players for voting her in the UVO Survey? I'm sure everyone's aware of it, but there's been a lot of comments saying that Awoken Pandora has little to no differences from her Ultimate, and that it's just wasted space for a potential badass Awoken Evo; this can be true in many ways. In my personal opinion, I agree with this. (Downvotes ensue). First of all, Awoken Evolutions are almost always supposed to have a significant change from the Ultimate. Not just an added Haste, an additional row, and a weak Passive. Heck, Awoken Lucifer exists. Which brings me to my second point... With Awoken Lucifer already out, it almost makes no sense to run Awoken Pandora in the first place (assuming you have both cards). Awoken Lucifer has a higher Passive Multiplier, affects BOTH GOD AND DEVILS, and needs LESS orbs to proc his Leader Skill. We're not even talking about stats. Are they giving her the Awoken Hino treatment, and cementing her Awoken role as just a sub? I don't know, it's kinda sad that one of the fan-favorites gets shafted with this one. Don't get me wrong; she's still a super strong card with crazy HP and Awakenings. I just feel like they could've done something more, something different. Additional Row and added Haste just feels too lazy for me. I'm sure some people would agree with this. ---- OPEN TO ARGUMENT! I'm still open to hearing others' opinions! Last edited by Greg! 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 5 Guest#80470 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) She is good and players already clearing arena 2 with her The fact that she is less tanky than luci turn out to be inconsequential. She does more damage (can nuke predra with A loki) She have better active She have better A.skills In general use i can compare both ALuci God killer is situational 3rd skill boost is irrelevant True dmg is also situational APandora Time extend (extremely important) Bind clear is relevant Double orb change and providing heal orbs is needed for tank teams 2 The main reason she's not like other Awokens, is that she got voted for an Ult by the community. Gungho is making Super Ults for the Heroes (look at Andromeda), so they quickly had to make an Awoken for Pandora. The result is that she isn't very complex or revolutionary. I really hope Gungho fixes this when they announce the Awokens for the other Heroes. 1 The point is she wasn't holding up anymore. In mid game (old end-game), her damage output was sufficient to just clear the stage and move one. The current end-game hits way too hard without 2-turn timers to heal back up in between and lots of preemptives. On top of this, to maximize your damage, you need 8 orbs, because 3x won't cut it anymore. This had made the Hero-gods obsolete as leaders, because you really needed some buff on HP, but mostly RCV to stall for skills or skyfall. Just to say : they need the HP/RCV - boost to be useful again as leaders, because more and more people were using them as subs in teams with a higher survival rate. If gungho wants to put the heroes back in play again, just add 0.5 to each stage of the multiplier, and remove the ATK boost from the other part of the LS. This way, they get a 4.5x multiplier for 8 orbs, but a 3.5 for 6, which makes a significant difference in damage output without being too OP. This also gives the opportunity to maybe remove 1 row from the awakenings and add a utility (extra time extend, enhanced orb, 1 bind resist, ...) 1 josh#54122 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Basically it's not that she's bad, it's that she's underwhelming. In comparison to Sakuya's first Uevo it's not that it's bad it just is most definitely underwhelming; the difference now being is that currently a God's Awoken form is their final known iteration as well as as strong as we'll ever see them become. This evolution is stronger than her current UEvo but only by a margin. As a leader you're outclassed by FA Luci (1.25 multiplier to his 1.35 and no god killer awakening), as a sub the loss of god typing means she can no longer be a sub to some her popular teams like YomiDra. I really hope in the same way they buffed the Chinese Awokens but bringing their Active CDs inline with their previous UEvos they do the same for Pandora as well as swap Physical out for God or at least giver triple typing. Even those buffs wouldn't make her Awoken form as much of a buff as other gods saw (shiva,bastet,luci,susano,all chinese) but at least you wouldn't feel like you're losing out on a shorter CD on active and have to find a new sub for certain teams. 1 The main niche of the heroes was that they did overwhelming amounts of damage without any retaliation. They simply got phased out due to the meta game countering them. I really feel like Pandora will get a buff later on. For one thing, it's exceptionally odd for an Awoken monster to only support a single subtype. Practically all the Awokens I can think of support both their subtypes or an entire element which makes Pandora very strange. If they really want to make Pandora amazing, she would have to support all dark types in general which would allow her access to some amazing subs like Persephone or even Eschamali. Limiting Pandora to only devils means the classic team of 2x Haku and 2x Hanzo would be the only viable options available for a powerful functioning team, though we now have Akechi who can replace Hanzo as well as Claire's heartbreak pairing well with Pandora's active. 1 ♡Ameto♡#63221 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Oh I forgot this: "Are they giving her the Awoken Hino treatment, and cementing her Awoken role as just a sub?" I don't think so. With the right team you're looking into 35k+ HP, 4k+ RCV and doing 25x with just 8 orbs and no need to do 7+ combos. The only reason Pandora fell out of favor is that she's quite active heavy and 16x became somewhat low when you only have 20k-ish HP and enemies overall got higher HP and hit harder, making stalling less viable. Those extra stats are really game changing. If anything, I believe they cemented her super ult as sub now, 25x with 10 orbs and 20-25k-ish HP is nothing to be impressed about. Edit: I guess I shoot up the RCV way too high, fixed it. Last edited by ♡Ameto♡ 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 1 But all the lower multiplier leaders have some survival advantage. With the newer dungeons I always found myself having to leave out row subs for survival or utility and that significantly decreases your potential damage. This also makes using her pretty complicated and slow, to the point I rarely use her anymore. Her Awoken form will definitely change that. @Cornykova: I see what you mean. I was dismissing 3x rows entirely because it's somewhat hard to set up, but if you have that high HP and RCV it should be possible to save up until you can generate 18 or 15 orbs exactly. Now that would set up Luci considerably higher indeed. But I still see a lot of potential on A. Pandora and find the OP dismissing her as just a sub a huge joke considering how well she always held up without all the 1.25x she's getting now. 1 Eric#58349 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Why does the comparison have to be against Lucifer? Does every new awoken have to outclass the current best awoken? Isn't she still very strong? 1 Well, to tell the truth, the whole "awoken god" started out of wanting to renew long obsolete pantheons by giving out awakenings and changing around skills to something more useful. I was actually wondering what direction they would go with this, since every ult these days already have tons awakenings, and their skills, while they can become weaker in comparison to new stuff, are nowhere near as bad as Greco-Roman were for example. I'm not surprised if they decided to just give small updates to existing stuff instead of complete changes from now on. 0 ♡Ameto♡#63221 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I agree with most of your points and I pretty much came here to say the same (have my upvote), but I don't exactly agree with the Awoken Lucifer comparison. Sure, his 1.35x and gives him some additional survivability, he's got a god killer, and his sub pool is more versatile, but he's also only doing ~16.4x against non-gods. Pandora does ~19.14x with just an additional orb (granted, you can't get a row from 7 orbs unless you're on 7x6 or 5x4) and 25x with 8 orbs. Also, his other awakenings and his AS are pretty situational too. And, as far as god damage goes, you're using 2x Lucifer and no one else has god killer on your team you have: Lucifer: 16.4 * 2 * 3 + 16.4 * 4 = 164.025 Pandora 25 * 6 = 150 Which is pretty comparable. I believe that ~14 extra damage might be not needed in most cases anyway. 0 16x is not low for row teams, if anything it was absolutely revolutionary. Most row teams do anywhere from 6.25 to 12.25x even today. The only real exceptions to this are the hero series D.Meta and Goemon of which only the hero series are not reliant on HP thresholds. Also your stat estimates aren't wrong, with a hypermax team anyway. 0 Luci does 16x when making a row, Panda does 14x. Not that much of a difference, but a difference nonetheless. If you want to burst higher with Panda, you'll need 8 orbs, thus limiting your options for a second row and nullifying your options for a third one. Luci, however, can match up to three dark rows, which makes the damage output seriously higher with that much row enhances in your team. Secondly, the difference between 1.25x and 1.35x seems, again, rather small, but double leads give you 1.56x and 1.82x HP and RCV. With double Pandora, you'll have high HP, but you sacrifice RCV. Luci doesn't have this problem. he'll have a 40k HP team with 9k RCV to back it up. I'm also very curious about Super Ult Luci, because they kept him Devil for his Awoken form and didn't really change his meta (row teams). 0 I disagree, I think that the real reason they did this is because they would like to play it safe and see what the players are able to do with her. They don't want to risk putting too much on her and end up making her game breaking because nerfing it later would be a big deal. They did the same with Chinese and Norse gods Awoken forms, so I do think they might end up buffing her AS and/or LS not much in the future. Edit: Oh you meant about the similarity with her previous ult, sorry. I guess you're right, they did it that way to please people that are already used to her play style. Really ****ed up IMO. Last edited by ♡Ameto♡ 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 You somewhat misunderstood me, I know very well that survey winners get gimped in general aside from a few miracle cases like Awoken Sakuya. The other heroes won't get awoken forms unless they win surveys which won't happen period. I already explained it in another post on this page how they decide who gets super ults and which get awokens but the bottom line is that right now it's probably not gonna happen unless the player base asks for it. Also, your thoughts on removing the row from her shows that you don't understand that rows are what make her OP despite her multiplier. The row bonus is accumulative meaning each row's bonus applies to all the damage and not that specific match only. So if I had 10 row awakenings and made 2 row matches, I'd end up with a 200% bonus at the end of the calculations from just rows. Removing 1 row from her means you're removing 2 from her team which is 20-60% less damage depending on how many rows you make. Also, you've indirectly nerfed her from her present form as currently she can hit a 25x multiplier but by your changes, you go to 20.25x which is a fairly significant amount so that's even weaker if they were to also remove a row by your suggestion. I do agree with a new awakening part though. Making her bind immune would be amazing but there's no where to fit 2 of them without upsetting her balance as is. 0 Well of course she has to have some sort of advantage over Lucifer, otherwise there would be literally no reason to run her over him. I'm not saying that she has to be better in every way, but there need to be aspects of Awoken Pandora that justifies using her as a lead instead of Lucifer. 0 She's compared to Awoken Lucifer because their roles as leaders are extremely similar. Both are row based leaders with added survivablility. @Daniel: Her advantage over him is the flexible multiplier and number of orbs which makes her more suited to farming say King of the Gods. Last edited by Valk 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 You're absolutely right, I didn't run my numbers correctly; The only advantage my proposal would have, is that you don't need to be Devil to profit from the max multiplier. And I do believe the other Heroes will recieve an Awoken eventually, but they will recieve their Super Ults first. It would be really strange to have Awoken + Super Ult Pandora, but no Awoken Perseus :-) Anyway, gungho missed the chance to make this Awoken form a evolution worthy of the name :-) 0 Wow. That is exactly what they just did! They just put out a list of, what? Forty? existing monsters and buffed them. How? How did you know it would happen? I need for you to choose lottery numbers for me! 0 Datmusk#49656 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Nope. This card is superior to A. Luci hands down. A. Luci has 1.35x stats and 3x for a 6 or full activation. Assuming you are running with an A. Luci pal, that's 1.35*1.35*3*3=16.4x top end multiplier before rows etc. The big deal is that if you don't have 6 dark orbs you don't do damage. With this card, you trade .1x HP and rcv for an amazing amount of versatility and a HUGE increase in top end damage. At 4 orbs: Luci: 1.82x Panda: 6.25x At 6 orbs: Luci: 16.4x Panda: 14.06x At 8+ orbs: Luci: 16.4x Panda: 25x Pandora has a Higher high end, better low end, nearly identical sustain, and a more interesting looking ideal board, and by extension gets way more mileage out of those delicious rows. Furthermore, Luci's active is situational. I would trade having 2 Panda actives available over 2 Luci actives available any day. The only real advantage A Luci has over Pandora now is god type inclusion in his LS, which brings him a slightly meatier sub pool. If you are going for the best subs for either, though, they are devils anyway so it's moot. This card is solid and versatile, and requires a little more than people are giving it. Uninspired? A few months ago, cards were worthless without 2+TPA awakenings. Now, rows are becoming not only viable, but top end for team damage output, ESPECIALLY in combination with orb enhance awakenings. I think kids are just salty that they put 297 +eggs into A Luci to have him eclipsed in less than a month by an unpopular hero series card. 0 That 0.1 difference between their two leader skills is a lot more significant than you'd think. Luci teams on average have around 10k more hp and 2k more rcv than Panda, which is actually really significant. Luci also gets amazing subs like Eschamali (probably spelled it wrong) and Persephone that Panda doesn't have access to. And that point you made about Panda being able to activate a low multiplier unlike Luci doesn't really matter if you're running hard dungeons like Arena. In hard dungeons, 4x and 6.25x is so insignificant that it doesn't even matter that Luci can't get that multiplier. 0 I beat Ultimate Arena today with Pandora and having a flexible multiplier really helped because I ran into both Sopdet and Parvati. Maybe not so much in the case of Parvati, but I dunno if I could have beaten Sopdet with Luci, because the 6.25x match I did almost hit the 100k mark by itself. And Luci does 9x + the "extra 0.1x". I also didn't miss Persephone nor Eschamali in the slightest. Edit: now that I think about it, on my last hit I did around 260k avg damage, with 9x non-row and 4 combo I believe, and Parvati's shield is 300k. So yeah, it would have gotten in the way too. Last edited by ♡Ameto♡ 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 0 Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I remember, Luci can beat Sopdet even without activating his 9x multiplier just from his small atk boost to devils and gods. Pandora also has no bind clearing subs outside of Aamir and Sleeping Beauty, neither of which have very good stats. Luci gets Yomi Dragon, an amazing sub with amazing awakenings and an active that can create orbs and help clear binds at the same time. If you're running Pandora with no bind clear subs and your leaders get bound, that's pretty much game over. 0 I can't say if it's possible, but at 1.82x I would think it's would be somewhat tricky to pull off? With Pandora you can just match 5 orbs and a few combos, but you have to hope skyfall won't ruin it (though I would think that's a problem with every single dark/light team anyway :P). I'm not sure about your point about binds. I hardly ever ran into a double lead bind situation, especially one that can't be avoided by just not triggering some HP threshold or turn count, or else by planning your subs ahead. When it does happen, at times I have been able to simply stall out of it. Recently I made it to Z8 without a buff ready and he got both my leads, and I managed to survive somehow. Though, the more I play with Pandora it bothers me more and more when I see people say "Luci can use this but Pandora can't". People seem to somewhat overplay the 1.25x part of the LS. If your whole team is devil I don't see much harm in having a non-devil sub to fit an important role. In fact, I beat Arena 1 with a less than optimal sub (physical Karin), though I sadly don't think I could beat Arena 2 with that same team because of the Predras. You used Sleeping beauty as an example, but well, I think that since her stats and awakenings are pretty mediocre, if you do have access to Yomi Dragon you might as well use him instead. Especially when you're much more likely to have YD +297'd and not her, because if that's the case his stats are far better than hers even after multiplier. 0 Yea I've done arena a couple of times with Luci, and whenever I run into Sopdet I usually don't have too much of a problem against him. The fixed damage from Luci's active and the dark orb spawn really helps, and I'm always confident that I can stall back for whatever skills I use. I get your point about bind clearing, but there are some cases like Awoken Hino where full team binds are completely unavoidable unless you're fine with all of your active cooldowns being reset. However, now that Gung-ho has announced an ult for Aamir, Im actually pretty excited to use him with Panda. So basically I've changed my mind about Panda not having any good bind clear subs :P I've played around with both Pandora and Luci, and what I've found through my own experience is that it's a lot easier to tank and stall with Luci than it is for Panda. I've often been caught in situations using Panda where I need to stall for actives but I don't have enough recovery to consistently tank hits from monsters like Hera Ur/Is and Beelzebub. On the other hand, it's very true that Panda has a much higher damage potential than Luci. Overall I think they're on the same level, and choosing between the two just depends on your playstyle. I prefer Luci because I like really tanky teams, but I can totally see why others would prefer Panda -1 Ghest#69784 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) pandora actually needs LESS orbs to activate her leader skill !!!! :D -1 By Moldy#73838 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I feel as though people waste their votes by voting for popular gods/goddesses. When they're already pretty high up or at the top of the meta, going any further than that would make them broken. So they can only put a tiny buff that still makes them better. IF ONLY PEOPLE WAITED, maybe Pandora wouldn't be so underwhelming. Maybe it'd be a year from now, but she'd be up to date to that future meta. Last edited by Moldy 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 3 Eric#58349 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) As we sit here, Awoken Pandora has now been ranked S over at game8.jp https://game8.jp/matome/18865 Specifically, sitting on the same tier as Awoken Lucifer. She debuted at A+ and was *moved UP* to S cause it quickly became obvious she was really, really strong. Underwhelming. Worse than Andromeda. My ass. 1 Lol, guess no one has seen the Arena 2 clears Panda has been doing... sheesh. 0 what are you even saying rofl, light iza only got nothing because it's a free monster 0 By that logic, Goemon, Athena, and Beelzebub should have gotten sh!t ults as well Last edited by Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) -1 I haven't watched any vids of Pandora clearing Arena 2. Shouldn't be needed. But we have a vast majority of the people on this site, this page, complaining about Pandora needing an upgrade etc. A monster only surpassed by Ra Dragon and Yomi Dragon, and on par with Shiva Dragon and Neptune Dragon. -2 Daniel9dsi#71029 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Well the alternative to voting for popular monsters is to vote for unpopular monsters, and look what happened with LIzanami. All they gave her a tiny stat boost and an improved leader skill that still sucks. The fact of the matter is that most of the time, useless cards being buffed by Gung-ho are still going to end up being pretty useless. Personally I feel like these uvo surveys are pretty stupid in general considering that no matter what players vote for, Gung-ho won't really buff them all too much. I bet Gung-ho has a timeline planned as to what cards are going to get uvos in the future and what buffs they are going to get, but when players vote for early uvos it just messes the whole thing up. For example, I bet Gung-ho already had plans to give LIzanami an ult in the future, and if no one had voted for her, her ult would probably end up being better than the one we have now. tldr I agree that people are voting unnesscarily for popular cards, but the truth is that the same would probably happen if they voted for unpopular cards instead Last edited by Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) -1 By Sanspai@PF#38562 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I really hope that Pandora gets a Awoken Sakuya Treatment. No, I don't have a Pandora, but she totally deserves to be better. I mean, she gets released and she's already outclassed by another Leader. Pretty much people are extremely upset about losing a max-skill, expecially when the new one is a Turn longer for just a measly haste, when Pantheons like Chinese had their max CD the same as pre-Awoken with an added haste. The LS is just a downgrade from Awoken Lucifer. Despite Awoken lucifer Having a lower ATK multiplier, he has higher stall ability and easier orb manipulation on boards. Also Lucifer Affects two types, not just one. Maybe they could go on with the give a big change fashion of Awoken cards and remove the Bind clear awakening for something more useful. (Dark OE, Time Extend, SBR...) Last edited by Sanspai@PF 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Tommy#84145 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) You have to go through Fagan for Awoken Sakuya which is a pretty hard dungeon. Awoken Pandora, though you don't have ti beat very hard dungeons -1 By C A R L#32633 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I see everyone arguing or complaining about pandora vs awoken lucifer but have yet to see anyone mention what a good awoken lucifer sub she is lol Some monsters are good leaders, some monsters are good subs. A few monsters are both. Pandora is both, but since lucifer is more consistent she will most likely remain a sub. -1 By Roadsigns#12573 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Why does nobody ever mention Zaerog 8 as a great sub for A panda? After 10 Rows throwing in some extra OE is more beneficial to damage, his stats and active are great and fit well. He is way better than Hanzo even in combination with Haku in my opinion. 1 ♡Ameto♡#63221 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) There are dozens of subs better than Z8 IMO. His active is not as useful outside of combo teams. A Yomi has the same amount of OEs but two extra extends and comparable stats. 1 I think A Yomi is a terrible Panda Sub. It isn't about the OE, imo. Frankly the active is useless on that type of team, while skyfall dark is a huge deal. I main A Yomi, and the amount of extra dark orbs I get from skyfall with Z8 is nuts. I use him on Yomi Dragon instead of Okuni because honestly, outside of Arena, it is much better. And yes, that is considering that he lacks god type for the second multipliers. If you only NEED dark to activate (I.E. A Panda) then I can't see why A Yomi would be better than Z8? I really think Z8's active is being underestimated here, lol. The time extends from Yomi are nice but that active is a godsend, and if you can clear boards well it basically guarantees activation on something like Yomi Drag. Maybe not full activation on Panda, but you already have two double orb changers for big bursts. Z8 is for constantly getting enough dark to wipe smaller waves. Also, Z8 has a haste, which really stacks well with Apanda. ALSO HE'S FARMABLE. (DEEEEEEP BREATH) Sorry. I'm just not sure what dozens of subs are better. I feel like people are sleeping on that one. Last edited by Roadsigns 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 0 Wait, what? A.Yomi's active useless? Let me list a few stuff he can do: * He can save you out of a really crappy board. Think one of those 2 color boards with mostly non-dark orbs, all of them on one side of the board, and you want to turn it into an optimal board? With 5 extra seconds to move orbs, he's got you covered! * He can cancel a time debuff. So many dungeons that throw one at you right at the boss nowadays. * He can increase damage anywhere up to 3x for a full dark orb board. Gotta love Beelzebub full poison board -> Anubis -> Yomi combo. If you just changed orbs and most of them are not enhanced, it might give you enough extra damage to push for a kill that would otherwise be not possible too. * He can give you extra damage when you get awoken skills bound and can't use rows anymore. I just burst down Linthia instead of stalling out the 5 turns because of him. As for Z8, from my point of view, extra skyfall is not really needed if I match enough orbs for the kill, is too unreliable to count on if I don't match enough orbs, and does not make much difference on total orbs on the next turn when I have 4 orb changers. Also, the skyfall might actually be detrimental, because when there's too much dark orbs there's a higher chance they'll match during skyfall, which means less dark orbs around on the following turn and more stalling to do. About subs, there's some suggestions on the first post and throughout the thread here: www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/4ch1hf/guidediscuss_community_teambuilding_pandora/ I got to admit, "dozens" was quite an exaggeration, but there's quite a handful right now. IMO, everything in the top post except for Lilith, Persephone, Sleeping Beauty (situational), Aamir (situational) are better subs than Z8. Last edited by ♡Ameto♡ 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) -1 By Mexico#87470 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) This is my team for her and I'd like to know what you all think. Awoken Pandora Marvelous Red Dragon Caller Sonia Marvelous Red Dragon Caller Sonia Chaotic Flying General Lu Bu Black-Winged Goddess Valkyrie Claire Awoken Pandora Is this a good team, or are there places where I can improve the team? 0 Ea#30342 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) Switch Sonias for dark attribute monsters, preferably ones with more rows or utility (skill bind reaist, bind clear, etc) or an orb enhance active. 0 Boromir#75874 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) This advice is for high level dungeons (mythical and higher). Those are all solid cards, but not best for Pandora. I'd replace Lu Bu with a 5 turn orb changer. Pandora does plenty of damage without Lu Bu's buff, but needs a row every turn. I think the Sonia's are great, but if you have a primary dark row monster with full board change, like Zuoh, that's better. And make sure you've got full skill bind resist and bind clear options. 0 Bubbles#44248 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) You should try to keep all cards dark-primary attribute if you're going for a dark team. Then, it's good to have an orb changer (in case of orb troll, poison, jammers, etc). In my case, I use zu-oh. For jammers/poisons specifically, you can also use Anubis or Satsuki. Then, since Pandora requires a bunch of dark orbs to do significant damage, it's good to have dark orb changers on your team. Some suggestions could be Grisar, another Pandora, Awoken Lucifer, Akechi, Satsuki, Anubis, Zu-Oh, Vampires, Haku etc. Zaerog infinity is also really good for the team as it increases the drop rate of dark orbs for 3 turns. I have 2 Pandora teams as of now that I've been running with little to no problems: Pandora, Zu-Oh, Zaerog, Awoken Lucifer, Grisar, Pandora or Pandora, Zu-Oh, Zaerog, Akechi, Grisar, Pandora Give it a try. Cards like Lu Bu and King Baddie are also good to add for certain dungeons where you need that extra damage. tldr: stick to primary dark cards (i.e. replace your r.sonias) and look for cards that will help you get more dark orbs. Last edited by Bubbles 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) -2 By nturtle#21208 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) How utterly disappointing and underwhelming. 0 (°~°)@PG#73406 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Artwork: adorable <3 LS: Do a bit of math. 5x multiplier row team and ability to stall AS: I admit, not fabulous, but haste is welcome, and longer CD is countered by her ability to stall Just got to take a closer look, she's actually great -2 By -Striku-#37071 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) If Awoken Pandora has 2 bind resists, then maybe I'll consider using her. After all. 1. This will make her a very good bind clear for herself as a lead and as a sub for other dark teams, such as Lucifer. 2. She will be able to keep the team's stat boosts, like Lu Bu. Last edited by -Striku- 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) -2 By Rubicari#3272 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Interesting how everyone is not liking this Ult, I didn't like it just because she now outshines her Beach counterpart (which I have)....& now I feel foolish for selling the 2 Pandora's I pulled a few weeks ago. I admit, even with Beach Pandora I've been using her as a Zaerog Infinity sub more than a leader these days. I don't think this Evo is bad, just not as Great as the other more recent Awokens. 0 Guest#82949 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Beach Panda is special in that she gets Dual TPA AND Dual Rows, which gives her great versatility on both Row and TPA-Based teams. This Panda has only 3 rows. Not saying that's bad, I'm just saying that she's less versatile that way. -2 By Victarrion#30293 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Welp, I guess Awoken Arch Demon Lucifer was a fun lead while he lasted. -3 By Trolololol#65092 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Before I rant about this awoken ultimate, I just want to say that if you don't like what I have to say, feel free to voice your disagreement. If all else fails, the downvote button can be found...oh forget it, you already know where it is. You don't need a text arrow to find and click/tap the button anyway. Without further ado, my opinion on Awoken Pandora. I don't like this awoken evolution at all. I think it's easily one of, if not the worst awoken evolutions in Puzzle and Dragons. The mains problems with this awoken ultimate are that Pandora only got one extra row and that her active skill not only resets so you must skill it up with Badpys, it also is 9 turns max instead of 8. And for what? ONE TURN HASTE? Please let me know what teams would truly benefit from the "buff". And the leader skill buff is just a complete joke compared to Awoken Lucifer. While the evo materials are easier to obtain than other cards like Awoken Sakuya and Scarlett, Pandora's awoken ultimate is taking place at a time when many cards became wholesomely revolutionized, such as pretty much every awoken ultimate ever made. As such, we should expect previously overlooked cards to become a whole new experience to clear dungeons. As someone who's first hypermaxed card was Pandora, it's just a shame to see this mediocre at best change take place. I've already evolved Pandora to her first ultimate, and no amount of Badpys and jewels and Surters and Aamirs will convince me to switch over. I really hope that Pandora would have gotten a super ultimate like Andromida because not only would she not lose the skills ups, she would have a triple-type and the evo materials would be less of a pain since the extreme king metal dragon is really easy to get, even easier than the jewels so long as your max stamina is 99 or above. I can only hope that somewhere in the future, a super ultimate will come out for Pandora, and I sense that Sun Wukong will also be stuck with a mediocre awoken ultimate as well. By the way, devil physical? The devil part is crucial, but physical? What do dark physicals do anyway? Give them more tankiness at a cost of their recovery? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. One dark row, a skill haste, and a mediocre stat boost only for devils will never draw me to one of the worst awoken ultimates of all time. 2 Daniel9dsi#71029 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) Well I mean I wouldn't say she's a worse leader than Lucifer, she can spike for a lot more damage. I wouldn't say its a bad awoken ult necessarily, just underwhelming. -1 Underwhelming is a pretty good word to use. This Pandora is actually pretty great as a standalone evolution. As an Awoken, however, it falls flat. There's nothing new or interesting to her that really sets her apart from her normal form. HP and RCV boosts are pretty much becoming the norm and her damage multiplier matches that of UUEvo Andromeda in the end. I have a feeling that the Heroes series were all slated to receive the UUEvos as Andromeda did, but due to voting decided to tweak Pandora slightly and just gave her an expedited Awoken. Maybe so she wasn't voted in again like Sakuya. Her AS is literally the same with one turn longer CD and a haste tacked on, and she gained one row. Pretty uninspired. Even her art doesn't seem very awoken-y. Wouldn't surprise me if she had a more purple base art and it was given the roses and flames after they decided to make her Awoken. That said, I'll certainly turn my second Pandora into an Awoken one. I'd change both of them but I still have a use for my other due to being max skilled and retaining God typing. -3 By CoffeeHo#30593 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I'm calling shenanigans on a few of the first people to post comments here about Awoken Pandora. "Secret," your comment sounds like a new product advertisement. Very scripted. When I clicked on your name to see what level you were and what monsters you had in your collection, I wasn't surprised that you didn't have an account. I have been reading comments here for over two years and I don't recall your name. So, are you an employee, and were you assigned the task of writing something exciting to get us interested in Awoken Pandora? I clicked on more names I didn't recognize. No surprise--I was led to the home page. I hope I am completely wrong. I do. But, if I am right, I think it's a bit sleezy. 0 I didn't know that Padherder was better at keeping track of a monster collection. I am not that thrilled with padx's clumsy system either. I am going to check it out. Thanks. The names I clicked on didn't have any accounts. It wasn't about not being updated. They were non-existent. I still feel like those chirpy, she's-so-much-better comments are employees trying to convince us that this pandora form doesn't suck. 0 Metrinome#80316 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) I would like to state that many of us probably haven't updated our Padx profile in weeks, if not months. Padherder is so much better at keeping track of our collections, while Padx is hideously clumsy at the very best. The best barometer for a monster's usefullness is to have one yourself. That's obviously not possible all the time, so the next best thing is the experience that others have had, especially recorded experience. What is true is that Arena 2.0 was cleared within days of A Pandora being released. The Predra floor was dealt with by simply bursting through their 10 million defense. Here's the video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_plVT0Hmlc She's also ranked on S on the JP tier list. 0 Possible. But a lot of the accounts here have that glitch wherein when you click their name, it takes you to the homepage. I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with being a GungHo employee or a fake account. It could be (and is most probably) a bug in the coding. I wouldn't be surprised since this website does indeed have a lot of bugs. I think a lot of players, especially on PADX, like to take after the trends in JP. Awoken Pandora is more favorable than Lucifer if you watch JP videos, and I can see why. And if you think I'M a GungHo employee, then......I wish that was true so I could give myself shîtloads of Magic Stones lol 0 I didn't know that there were glitches that took you to the homepage. That makes me feel differently now. I was remembering when there was a fake Jerry and that troll poster who kept posting, "Downvote me." When that stuff was going on, those commenters had no account. When I clicked on their names, I was redirected to the home page. At this point, my comment and opinion are moot. There is such a great response on this page, that I feel like pad players have voiced a strong opinion about Pandora. I'm glad. I know you are not an employee! If you were, you would have every Valk and a super ult Belial and stones and stones and stones. -4 By Inagaki#26667 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I hope she will get buffed !!! Because, she is alreadly out of the current meta. -4 By Guest#82949 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) O_O Ults for the Heroes... Dammit, y did I sell both Pandora and Tomato... -6 By George#56118 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) Have her. 321 039 367. All the minuses hurt.😢 Last edited by George 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 6 moocow#75177 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) That's a weird phone number. I tried calling it and some dude picked up, asking what kind of pizza I wanted. I said "George? Is that you? I have Awoken Pandora, too! Two piis shy of hypermaxed!" The guy hung up on me. George, why did you hang up on me? I thought you wanted to be friends? -8 By josh#54122 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 1 Valk#57072 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) You're making it sound as if you're somehow forced to make Awoken Pandora. You're not. There's a lot of hints that they're gonna make super ult Pandora anyway. Remember, the Awoken form for Pandora is simply because she won the survey, they announced Awoken Andromeda not too long before Pandora was announced which hints the hero series will all get super ults. The trend so far is that units with only 1 evolution path have all gotten super ults while split paths got a 3rd Awoken form (See Archdevils as a reference). Sakuya is also an exception to this as she won the survey herself. The key to all this is treating Awoken Pandora and the other path for Pandora as 2 separate units. Trying to compare an Awoken form to a super ult is like trying to compare Ra Dragon to a non MP dragon. There may be similarities, but they're meant to be different beings entirely. Ignoring the attributes, Awoken Pandora is a tankier leader with less dependency on maximum orbs needed though she promotes devil only teams. Andromeda on the other hand welcomes all subtypes at the expense of tankiness and more orb dependency though she herself has slightly higher stats. Though in the end they hit the same multiplier, they're still not really comparable to each other. 1 You shouldn't be comparing a Super Ult with an Awoken Ult. Super Ult's mostly have the same meta to play in (Luci = dark row teams), while Awoken forms change their playstyle (Awoken haku = TPA or EO teams). It is true that she is underwhelming for an Awoken Ult, especially because she doesn't change the kind of teams she operates with. Also, (something I learned only recently) Super Ults get the triple typing, while Awoken Ult maintain the double typing (for example Awoken Lucifer vs Super Ult Amon). So it would be totally inappropiate to give Awoken Panda triple typing. Most of the Awoken Ults loose their God typing, Awoken Lucifer is a rare card in this, because he wasn't God type before in any of it's evolutions. 0 Dante#42410 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) The Chinese didn't keep their AS level. You had to skill them up again. 0 He meant at max CD, both the Chinese Awoken & pre-awoken forms was at 9 turns. The awoken forms had the added advantage of 1 turn haste. A.pandora gains haste, but the Max CD is 1 turn longer than pre-awoken 0 ty defz I mean I don't think she's awful it's just that in like 80% of dungeons and especially arena there'd be no reason to run her over FA Luci. She loses her sub status on a few teams she was meta on with the loss of her god typing and she loses the ability to have AHaku on her team with her passive only affecting Devils (also her boosts are still lower than FA Luci's). Other than a Dmeta/FA Luci/AHaku/APandora sub I don't see her Awoken Evolution really making waves in the sense that Bastet, Shiva, or FA Luci become huge after their Awoken forms came out. I guess she also is a good sub for DValk or ALoki/Beezle combo but that isn't exactly meta or game even much of an upgrade over her current UEvo for these teams Last edited by josh 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 0 Why would you be running Awoken Haku (TPA) on a Panda team anyway? D/D Haku is the obvious sub for Panda, even if she weren't Devil. 0 I just noticed I made a mistake, since Luci is also Awoken, thus being an exception himself :-) he's also the very rare awoken god type, so he's actually the dawn of a new era :-) 0 not to mention that A-haku is healer god, not devil, although the skill haste would be useful, since you can potentially make a system, I'd much rather go double d-haku, double hanzo. -1 defz#28218 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) I agree with Josh. Panda's awoken form isn't bad per se, but good and bad are relative, and compared to the current meta, it's nothing to be impressed with. 1) gains only 1 row compared to Andromeda's super-ult row and TPA 2) gains physical but loses God typing, compared to Andromeda's super-ult that has 3 typings. Pandora who is a regular sub for many Yomidra teams, now is diminished as a sub on Yomidra teams in Awoken form. If you don't have Akechi or Eschamali, you're basically stuck with non-Awoken form to keep her on Yomidra team. 3) A.Luci boosts Gods and Devils stats by 1.35, Pandora boosts only Devils and only by 1.25. 4) Her active at max CD now requires 9 skill boosts to trigger on first turn (not that it really matters since you usually have short CD subs, just putting it out there), instead of 8 previously. Not sure why he got downvoted since many people agree with this. -1 But you also followed that by saying HE is the dawn of a new era. Essentially saying he is the first and the rest will follow suit, when in fact the Egyptians were awoken gods first. So they were the dawn of the new awoken God era -2 BUT, just because that's how it's been doesn't mean it can't change. It was unheard of to have two tpa on a card at one point, now we have 5. So why couldn't awoken cards get 3 typing? It's not set in some magical law stone |
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HP and RCV are the only things that she would need afterwards, and she got them!
This is definitely one of the strongest leader skills in the game. Provided that you have the REM subs to back her up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_plVT0Hmlc
This is a video of A.Pandora clearing Arena 2 the day after she came out. She handles the preDra floor by bursting OVER their 10 million defense.
I get that she doesn't seem like much of an upgrade on paper, but if people can immediately clear the hardest dungeon currently in the game with her, she is definitely up there with the top leaders.
I really liked Pandora's play style when I was maining her. I'm perfectly okay with returning to an iteration of that if it can now clear the hardest dungeon in the game. Sure MAYBE she isn't entirely future proofed, but nobody but gungho knows what the future meta will be. Also, for that matter, Lucifer isn't very future proofed either.
......just shut up.